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> Its fine for you doesn't mean its fine for other. True. I mentioned that disease which causes actual pain. That is a legitimate reason. However If your r

> Its fine for you doesn't mean its fine for other. True. I mentioned that disease which causes actual pain. That is a legitimate reason. However If your reasoning is "It's uncomfortable" you are being ridiculously childish, and risking the lives of others. I literally cannot understand the "I would rather risk killing someone than having this piece of cloth on my face for a few hours" mindset. EDIT: Spelling (that -> than)

matz1 6y ago
>That is a legitimate reasons So you get to decide which are legitimate and which are not? >If your reasoning is "It's uncomfortable" you are being ridiculously childish, and risking the lives of others. Likewise, I can also says your decision to force other to wear mask is childish. You also get to decide what childish and what is not? >I literally cannot understand the "I would rather risk killing someone than having this piece of cloth on my face for a few hours" mindset. The risk always exist whatever you do but the chance of that happening is very very low. Not 0, anything can happen, but very low. Driving car in the road has non zero risk of killing people too but we do it anyway.
- Shared404 6y ago
  > So you get to decide which are legitimate and which are not? No, but I get to have an opinion, which I stated. A doctor would be better suited to decide which is legitimate or not. The condition I was referring to was Trigeminal Neuralgia. If a doctor says that it's okay to not wear a mask because "it's uncomfortable", then okay. I somehow suspect you'll have difficulty with that. > Likewise, I can also says your decision to force other to wear mask is childish. I would agree... If people could be trusted to wear masks. > You also get to decide what childish and what is not? No, but I can call someone baselessly risking others lives childish. Probably selfish as well. > Driving car in the road has non zero risk of killing people too but we do it anyway. Of course. However, driving has a obvious and very real benefit: being able to move yourself effectively from location to location. Is avoiding some mild discomfort really a worthy risk/benefit trade off?
  - matz1 6y ago
    Sure, you have opinion, i have opinion. Medical reason is not the only reason for it to be legitimate. You too are selfish for forcing other people to wear mask. >Is avoiding some mild discomfort really a worthy risk/benefit trade off? Very much Yes
    - Shared404 6y ago
      > Medical reason is not the only reason for it to be legitimate. I agree. I could also understand not being able to afford a mask. Somehow I suspect that's not the case. > You too are selfish for forcing other people to wear mask. Disagree. Is it really that selfish to say "Hey, please endure some temporary mild discomfort with no lasting affects, in order to protect others?" > Very much Yes I have no words for this. You are either the best troll I've seen in a while, or are -- imho -- a ridiculously childish fool who is both weak, and hardhearted.
      - matz1 6y ago
        >Is it really that selfish to say "Hey, please endure some temporary mild discomfort with no lasting affects, in order to protect others?" For some people, including me, its major discomfort and they never asked for protection. You are trying to force your interest againts other people in interest, yes that is selfish too. How is it a troll? It is true i find mask inconvenience and uncomfortable. Risk of seriously sick from covid ? very very low. Not sure what else to say.
        Shared404 6y ago
        > You are trying to force your interest againts other people in interest, yes that is selfish too. Actually, I'm in one of the age groups/health levels that is safest from covid. I'm trying to help protect my community, not myself. > Risk of seriously sick from covid ? very very low. See math above for my thoughts on this. > How is it a troll? That wasn't the only option I listed. This applies to "it's major discomfort" as well.
kipchak 6y ago
I don't at all mind wearing a mask when I go out, and the risk of causing harm is higher now, but wouldn't "I would rather risk killing someone than having this piece of cloth on my face for a few hours" apply in December of 2019 for example? I think this is what makes the perceived seriousness of the virus such a central point of conflict, as it determines what people see as the appropriate level of response.
- Shared404 6y ago
  > I think this is what makes the perceived seriousness of the virus such a central point of conflict, as it determines what people see as the appropriate level of response. I have to agree there. The hospitals in my hometown are getting to the breaking point, and people are dying. It seems reasonable to expect some sort of response under the circumstances.

matz1 6y ago

>That is a legitimate reasons So you get to decide which are legitimate and which are not? >If your reasoning is "It's uncomfortable" you are being ridiculously childish, and risking the lives of others. Likewise, I can also says your decision to force other to wear mask is childish. You also get to decide what childish and what is not? >I literally cannot understand the "I would rather risk killing someone than having this piece of cloth on my face for a few hours" mindset. The risk always exist whatever you do but the chance of that happening is very very low. Not 0, anything can happen, but very low. Driving car in the road has non zero risk of killing people too but we do it anyway.

Shared404 6y ago
> So you get to decide which are legitimate and which are not? No, but I get to have an opinion, which I stated. A doctor would be better suited to decide which is legitimate or not. The condition I was referring to was Trigeminal Neuralgia. If a doctor says that it's okay to not wear a mask because "it's uncomfortable", then okay. I somehow suspect you'll have difficulty with that. > Likewise, I can also says your decision to force other to wear mask is childish. I would agree... If people could be trusted to wear masks. > You also get to decide what childish and what is not? No, but I can call someone baselessly risking others lives childish. Probably selfish as well. > Driving car in the road has non zero risk of killing people too but we do it anyway. Of course. However, driving has a obvious and very real benefit: being able to move yourself effectively from location to location. Is avoiding some mild discomfort really a worthy risk/benefit trade off?
- matz1 6y ago
  Sure, you have opinion, i have opinion. Medical reason is not the only reason for it to be legitimate. You too are selfish for forcing other people to wear mask. >Is avoiding some mild discomfort really a worthy risk/benefit trade off? Very much Yes
  - Shared404 6y ago
    > Medical reason is not the only reason for it to be legitimate. I agree. I could also understand not being able to afford a mask. Somehow I suspect that's not the case. > You too are selfish for forcing other people to wear mask. Disagree. Is it really that selfish to say "Hey, please endure some temporary mild discomfort with no lasting affects, in order to protect others?" > Very much Yes I have no words for this. You are either the best troll I've seen in a while, or are -- imho -- a ridiculously childish fool who is both weak, and hardhearted.
    - matz1 6y ago
      >Is it really that selfish to say "Hey, please endure some temporary mild discomfort with no lasting affects, in order to protect others?" For some people, including me, its major discomfort and they never asked for protection. You are trying to force your interest againts other people in interest, yes that is selfish too. How is it a troll? It is true i find mask inconvenience and uncomfortable. Risk of seriously sick from covid ? very very low. Not sure what else to say.
      - Shared404 6y ago
        > You are trying to force your interest againts other people in interest, yes that is selfish too. Actually, I'm in one of the age groups/health levels that is safest from covid. I'm trying to help protect my community, not myself. > Risk of seriously sick from covid ? very very low. See math above for my thoughts on this. > How is it a troll? That wasn't the only option I listed. This applies to "it's major discomfort" as well.

kipchak 6y ago

I don't at all mind wearing a mask when I go out, and the risk of causing harm is higher now, but wouldn't "I would rather risk killing someone than having this piece of cloth on my face for a few hours" apply in December of 2019 for example? I think this is what makes the perceived seriousness of the virus such a central point of conflict, as it determines what people see as the appropriate level of response.

Shared404 6y ago
> I think this is what makes the perceived seriousness of the virus such a central point of conflict, as it determines what people see as the appropriate level of response. I have to agree there. The hospitals in my hometown are getting to the breaking point, and people are dying. It seems reasonable to expect some sort of response under the circumstances.