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I think The fight is inevitable. Eventually winner will emerge, democracy doesn't care who the winners is and how it get there as long as both side still allowe

by matz1 6y ago

I think The fight is inevitable. Eventually winner will emerge, democracy doesn't care who the winners is and how it get there as long as both side still allowed to fight. Even to reach compromise, fight may still be necessary. >You have people refusing to wear masks for the most mart to just to say "fuck you" to the other side. Mask has real downside (for some people), you can't just dismissed that (not just to say fuck you), although there is of course people like that. Similarly, You have to acknowledge there also people who want to force other to wear mask to just to say "fuck you" to the otherside.

Shared404 6y ago
> Mask has real downside (for some people), Name one. -- Not including the rare medical condition where having anything touching your face is incredibly painful.
- matz1 6y ago
  One. Wearing Mask can be uncomfortable, and it is real downside (at least for me)
  - Shared404 6y ago
    I'm sorry. Grow up. I wear a mask 8 hours a day. Surgeons do for longer. Is it really that much to ask? I honestly don't understand this mindset.
    - matz1 6y ago
      Its fine for you doesn't mean its fine for other. Not everyone the same. Whether its too much or not can be different for different people. Its not hard to understand right?
      - Shared404 6y ago
        > Its fine for you doesn't mean its fine for other. True. I mentioned that disease which causes actual pain. That is a legitimate reason. However If your reasoning is "It's uncomfortable" you are being ridiculously childish, and risking the lives of others. I literally cannot understand the "I would rather risk killing someone than having this piece of cloth on my face for a few hours" mindset. EDIT: Spelling (that -> than)
        matz1 6y ago
        >That is a legitimate reasons So you get to decide which are legitimate and which are not? >If your reasoning is "It's uncomfortable" you are being ridiculously childish, and risking the lives of others. Likewise, I can also says your decision to force other to wear mask is childish. You also get to decide what childish and what is not? >I literally cannot understand the "I would rather risk killing someone than having this piece of cloth on my face for a few hours" mindset. The risk always exist whatever you do but the chance of that happening is very very low. Not 0, anything can happen, but very low. Driving car in the road has non zero risk of killing people too but we do it anyway.
        Shared404 6y ago
        > So you get to decide which are legitimate and which are not? No, but I get to have an opinion, which I stated. A doctor would be better suited to decide which is legitimate or not. The condition I was referring to was Trigeminal Neuralgia. If a doctor says that it's okay to not wear a mask because "it's uncomfortable", then okay. I somehow suspect you'll have difficulty with that. > Likewise, I can also says your decision to force other to wear mask is childish. I would agree... If people could be trusted to wear masks. > You also get to decide what childish and what is not? No, but I can call someone baselessly risking others lives childish. Probably selfish as well. > Driving car in the road has non zero risk of killing people too but we do it anyway. Of course. However, driving has a obvious and very real benefit: being able to move yourself effectively from location to location. Is avoiding some mild discomfort really a worthy risk/benefit trade off?
        6y ago
      - ardy42 6y ago
        >>> One. Wearing Mask can be uncomfortable, and it is real downside (at least for me) >> I'm sorry. Grow up. I wear a mask 8 hours a day. Surgeons do for longer. Is it really that much to ask? I honestly don't understand this mindset. > Its fine for you doesn't mean its fine for other. Not everyone the same. Whether its too much or not can be different for different people. Its not hard to understand right? Some people aren't fine having a DD or getting a taxi after a night out, and would rather drive themselves home drunk. Those people have a far greater likelihood of getting into a crash that kills themselves or others. Your decisions and actions can have real consequences for others, it's not just about your personal preferences. Reflect on that and take the GGP's advice.
        matz1 6y ago
        I didn't says decision and action can't have real consequences. Every action will have its consequences. Forcing other to wear mask has its consequences too.
        Shared404 6y ago
        > Forcing other to wear mask has its consequences too. Like lower death rates and being able to reopen everything more completely and earlier?
        matz1 6y ago
        Decision to open has nothing to do mask. Its politics. I never support the lockdown in the first place, regardless of mask. And whether mask actually help with the pandemic, its still inconclusive.
        Shared404 6y ago
        >Decision to open has nothing to do mask. Its politics. Decisively false. Masks influence pandemic influences lockdown. > And whether mask actually help with the pandemic, its still inconclusive. Do you have a credible source for that?

by matz1 6y ago

Shared404 6y ago

> Mask has real downside (for some people), Name one. -- Not including the rare medical condition where having anything touching your face is incredibly painful.

matz1 6y ago
One. Wearing Mask can be uncomfortable, and it is real downside (at least for me)
- Shared404 6y ago
  I'm sorry. Grow up. I wear a mask 8 hours a day. Surgeons do for longer. Is it really that much to ask? I honestly don't understand this mindset.
  - matz1 6y ago
    Its fine for you doesn't mean its fine for other. Not everyone the same. Whether its too much or not can be different for different people. Its not hard to understand right?
    - Shared404 6y ago
      > Its fine for you doesn't mean its fine for other. True. I mentioned that disease which causes actual pain. That is a legitimate reason. However If your reasoning is "It's uncomfortable" you are being ridiculously childish, and risking the lives of others. I literally cannot understand the "I would rather risk killing someone than having this piece of cloth on my face for a few hours" mindset. EDIT: Spelling (that -> than)
      - matz1 6y ago
        >That is a legitimate reasons So you get to decide which are legitimate and which are not? >If your reasoning is "It's uncomfortable" you are being ridiculously childish, and risking the lives of others. Likewise, I can also says your decision to force other to wear mask is childish. You also get to decide what childish and what is not? >I literally cannot understand the "I would rather risk killing someone than having this piece of cloth on my face for a few hours" mindset. The risk always exist whatever you do but the chance of that happening is very very low. Not 0, anything can happen, but very low. Driving car in the road has non zero risk of killing people too but we do it anyway.
        Shared404 6y ago
        > So you get to decide which are legitimate and which are not? No, but I get to have an opinion, which I stated. A doctor would be better suited to decide which is legitimate or not. The condition I was referring to was Trigeminal Neuralgia. If a doctor says that it's okay to not wear a mask because "it's uncomfortable", then okay. I somehow suspect you'll have difficulty with that. > Likewise, I can also says your decision to force other to wear mask is childish. I would agree... If people could be trusted to wear masks. > You also get to decide what childish and what is not? No, but I can call someone baselessly risking others lives childish. Probably selfish as well. > Driving car in the road has non zero risk of killing people too but we do it anyway. Of course. However, driving has a obvious and very real benefit: being able to move yourself effectively from location to location. Is avoiding some mild discomfort really a worthy risk/benefit trade off?
        6y ago
    - ardy42 6y ago
      >>> One. Wearing Mask can be uncomfortable, and it is real downside (at least for me) >> I'm sorry. Grow up. I wear a mask 8 hours a day. Surgeons do for longer. Is it really that much to ask? I honestly don't understand this mindset. > Its fine for you doesn't mean its fine for other. Not everyone the same. Whether its too much or not can be different for different people. Its not hard to understand right? Some people aren't fine having a DD or getting a taxi after a night out, and would rather drive themselves home drunk. Those people have a far greater likelihood of getting into a crash that kills themselves or others. Your decisions and actions can have real consequences for others, it's not just about your personal preferences. Reflect on that and take the GGP's advice.
      - matz1 6y ago
        I didn't says decision and action can't have real consequences. Every action will have its consequences. Forcing other to wear mask has its consequences too.
        Shared404 6y ago
        > Forcing other to wear mask has its consequences too. Like lower death rates and being able to reopen everything more completely and earlier?
        matz1 6y ago
        Decision to open has nothing to do mask. Its politics. I never support the lockdown in the first place, regardless of mask. And whether mask actually help with the pandemic, its still inconclusive.
        Shared404 6y ago
        >Decision to open has nothing to do mask. Its politics. Decisively false. Masks influence pandemic influences lockdown. > And whether mask actually help with the pandemic, its still inconclusive. Do you have a credible source for that?