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The problem is not everyone are the same. For example, regarding covid, for some people they think the risk is low, for some people they think the risk are high

by matz1 6y ago

The problem is not everyone are the same. For example, regarding covid, for some people they think the risk is low, for some people they think the risk are high. Some think the lockdown are worth it, some think the lockdown are not worth it. Both are correct，it highly depends on your personal preference. This will always cause conflict. This is democracy, both side will fight and to convince other. Whoever gain the majority/power is the winner. Unless facebook taking sides, i don't think it harm democracy. Both side too can utilize facebook for their advantage.

ardy42 6y ago
> This is democracy, both side will fight and to convince other. Whoever gain the majority/power is the winner. > Unless facebook taking sides, i don't think it harm democracy. Both side too can utilize facebook for their advantage. The problem is, for the most part, there's harm to democracy if no compromise is ever reached, and the "fight" on every issue becomes constant and intractable. For instance, the fight around the response to COVID has pretty thoroughly undermined the response to it. You have people refusing to wear masks for the most part to just to say "fuck you" to the other side. This kind of over-the-top fractiousness is a clear propaganda win for authoritarianism. China, for instance, is pretty effectively using it (and their corresponding success) to reduce the appeal of democracy among its people.
- matz1 6y ago
  I think The fight is inevitable. Eventually winner will emerge, democracy doesn't care who the winners is and how it get there as long as both side still allowed to fight. Even to reach compromise, fight may still be necessary. >You have people refusing to wear masks for the most mart to just to say "fuck you" to the other side. Mask has real downside (for some people), you can't just dismissed that (not just to say fuck you), although there is of course people like that. Similarly, You have to acknowledge there also people who want to force other to wear mask to just to say "fuck you" to the otherside.
  - Shared404 6y ago
    > Mask has real downside (for some people), Name one. -- Not including the rare medical condition where having anything touching your face is incredibly painful.
    - matz1 6y ago
      One. Wearing Mask can be uncomfortable, and it is real downside (at least for me)
      - Shared404 6y ago
        I'm sorry. Grow up. I wear a mask 8 hours a day. Surgeons do for longer. Is it really that much to ask? I honestly don't understand this mindset.
        matz1 6y ago
        Its fine for you doesn't mean its fine for other. Not everyone the same. Whether its too much or not can be different for different people. Its not hard to understand right?
        Shared404 6y ago
        > Its fine for you doesn't mean its fine for other. True. I mentioned that disease which causes actual pain. That is a legitimate reason. However If your reasoning is "It's uncomfortable" you are being ridiculously childish, and risking the lives of others. I literally cannot understand the "I would rather risk killing someone than having this piece of cloth on my face for a few hours" mindset. EDIT: Spelling (that -> than)
        matz1 6y ago
        >That is a legitimate reasons So you get to decide which are legitimate and which are not? >If your reasoning is "It's uncomfortable" you are being ridiculously childish, and risking the lives of others. Likewise, I can also says your decision to force other to wear mask is childish. You also get to decide what childish and what is not? >I literally cannot understand the "I would rather risk killing someone than having this piece of cloth on my face for a few hours" mindset. The risk always exist whatever you do but the chance of that happening is very very low. Not 0, anything can happen, but very low. Driving car in the road has non zero risk of killing people too but we do it anyway.

by matz1 6y ago

ardy42 6y ago

> This is democracy, both side will fight and to convince other. Whoever gain the majority/power is the winner. > Unless facebook taking sides, i don't think it harm democracy. Both side too can utilize facebook for their advantage. The problem is, for the most part, there's harm to democracy if no compromise is ever reached, and the "fight" on every issue becomes constant and intractable. For instance, the fight around the response to COVID has pretty thoroughly undermined the response to it. You have people refusing to wear masks for the most part to just to say "fuck you" to the other side. This kind of over-the-top fractiousness is a clear propaganda win for authoritarianism. China, for instance, is pretty effectively using it (and their corresponding success) to reduce the appeal of democracy among its people.

matz1 6y ago
I think The fight is inevitable. Eventually winner will emerge, democracy doesn't care who the winners is and how it get there as long as both side still allowed to fight. Even to reach compromise, fight may still be necessary. >You have people refusing to wear masks for the most mart to just to say "fuck you" to the other side. Mask has real downside (for some people), you can't just dismissed that (not just to say fuck you), although there is of course people like that. Similarly, You have to acknowledge there also people who want to force other to wear mask to just to say "fuck you" to the otherside.
- Shared404 6y ago
  > Mask has real downside (for some people), Name one. -- Not including the rare medical condition where having anything touching your face is incredibly painful.
  - matz1 6y ago
    One. Wearing Mask can be uncomfortable, and it is real downside (at least for me)
    - Shared404 6y ago
      I'm sorry. Grow up. I wear a mask 8 hours a day. Surgeons do for longer. Is it really that much to ask? I honestly don't understand this mindset.
      - matz1 6y ago
        Its fine for you doesn't mean its fine for other. Not everyone the same. Whether its too much or not can be different for different people. Its not hard to understand right?
        Shared404 6y ago
        > Its fine for you doesn't mean its fine for other. True. I mentioned that disease which causes actual pain. That is a legitimate reason. However If your reasoning is "It's uncomfortable" you are being ridiculously childish, and risking the lives of others. I literally cannot understand the "I would rather risk killing someone than having this piece of cloth on my face for a few hours" mindset. EDIT: Spelling (that -> than)
        matz1 6y ago
        >That is a legitimate reasons So you get to decide which are legitimate and which are not? >If your reasoning is "It's uncomfortable" you are being ridiculously childish, and risking the lives of others. Likewise, I can also says your decision to force other to wear mask is childish. You also get to decide what childish and what is not? >I literally cannot understand the "I would rather risk killing someone than having this piece of cloth on my face for a few hours" mindset. The risk always exist whatever you do but the chance of that happening is very very low. Not 0, anything can happen, but very low. Driving car in the road has non zero risk of killing people too but we do it anyway.