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Amazon Wants to Train 29M People to Work in the Cloud
- Closi 6y agoLet me correct the title... > Amazon wants to train 29m people to work on AWS. Unsurprising that a company wants to train people on their own product in order to ultimately sell more of it.
- inerte 6y agoThe corporate PR-speak is strong in this article. They should have went full job-creator and just say their docs can help all humanity to get the 21st century skills necessary to thrive on the American Dream.
- SomaticPirate 6y agoExactly, is this even journalism? If the author published whatever the Amazon PR rep sends them they should work for Amazon, not a “supposed” objective newspaper. What a fluff piece.
- david-cako 6y agocorporate culture is all built on this attitude. Amazon leadership principles are akin to NLP on a corporate mission statement level. they're good, too, if you just take them as simple pieces of advice, but you should also consider the value in doing the exact opposite of a lot of these things in equal measure. https://www.amazon.jobs/en/principles https://www.amazon.jobs/en/principles
- iso947 6y agoIn any corporates network you see job requiring Cisco certificates. Those employees then choose to buy Cisco rather than something else, and the support deals require the companies to maintain the employees Cisco papers and training, often with free trips to conferences in luxury locations. The engineers wouldn’t recommend another brand of router which may be better because they’d lose their perks and face difficulty moving to another job. It’s a self sustaining industry. No surprise Amazon want the same thing.
- goatinaboat 6y agoThe engineers wouldn’t recommend another brand of router which may be better because they’d lose their perks and face difficulty moving to another job. In theory yes but in practice Juniper ate 30% of Cisco's market overnight when they showed up with better core routers for ISPs, and all the CCNx's happily got Juniper certified too.
- petra 6y agoCore routers are really expensive and probably strategic to the business. That decision is weighted heavily.
- solotronics 6y agoThis is not true in my experience. It's a valuable and recognized certificate, but most large cloud and enterprise are multivendor and the Cisco certs are interchangeable with the Juniper certs and others. It's just helpful as a measuring stick "You have a CCIE? Please explain the states of BGP and give some examples of issues that can occur to make the peering stuck in opensent." The Cisco certs are a good way to get your foot in the door if you don't have extensive work experience as a network engineer.
- paleotrope 6y agoI think you mistake the VARs with enterprises. Otherwise, as a holder of several cisco certs, I've clearly been missing out on these perks and free training. Not to mention the free trips to luxury locations.
- bluedino 6y agoI rarely see Cisco hardware in the SMB space. They’ve price themselves out. When I do come across it, it’s either telecom vendor owned, or the small business stuff which is re-branded Linksys or some other garbage. Even the re-branded small business lines are almost double what the competition costs. But, it sells because “it’s Cisco” and it’s not $3,000 a switch.
- eeZah7Ux 6y ago> In any corporates network you see job requiring Cisco certificates This is not always true and people are downvoting you... > No surprise Amazon want the same thing. ...but this is the important point: lock-in
- imbnwa 6y agoFor some reason this makes me think of Sorry to Bother You
- Aachen 6y ago> Sorry to Bother You is a 2018 American dark comedy film ... The film follows a young black telemarketer who adopts a white accent to succeed at his job. Swept into a corporate conspiracy, he must choose between profit and joining his activist friends to organize labor.
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- uncletaco 6y agoAnd I'll just say outright the parent is accurate about the movie's premise but he undersells it a lot. Its one of my favorite movies.
- qz2 6y agoI guess that’d devalue my certifications. Time to fuck off and do something else which isn’t being commoditised!
- giantg2 6y agoI don't know. I feel like my AWS certs are already next to worthless. The companies just want people with certs as part of their AWS contract constraints.
- _alex_ 6y agoIn my experience most certs are only valuable to check the box on contract requirements.
- jrockway 6y agoIt is possible to add a lot of value on top of whatever certifications you have. I see certifications as some indicator of minimum competence, but minimum competence is not the skillset I'm aiming for when expanding my team :)
- brundolf 6y agoReminds me of when Facebook explored building out new internet infrastructure in third-world countries, because they were literally running out of internet users to capture
- arbitrary_name 6y agoUhhh, that's still an area of major investment for them. Look up Facebook Connectivity.
- brundolf 6y agoYeah thought it might be, wasn't sure
- nceqs3 6y agoI know a guy who worked on that project (Facebook Aquila). It was a huge failure to say the least.
- jonas_kgomo 6y agoI find this interesting with 2Africa(Facebook) and Equiano project(Google), using Free Space Optical Communication. To me it seems as a way to have ownership of the physical infrastructure of the internet and also have sway on how the digital infrastructure can become a monopoly separated from the Telecom companies around Africa.
- chrismarlow9 6y agoEh not really a fan. Seems too close to outsourcing, but who knows. Also seems like it will lead to way more security issues. On a positive note, I can see a bunch of work coming out of this to fix things done poorly. Sorry I think it will actually lead to companies leaving AWS.
- giantg2 6y agoBut will the jobs be in those places (Montana or whatever)? I don't really think so. Sure, we are seeing a movement towards remote work. But why not outsource to India and save money?
- m23khan 6y agoIf we are talking about freelancing or individuals doing remote work, than why outsource exclusively to India? If it is indeed remote work than let the cheapest bidder win -- whether its Afghanistan or Zimbabwe. If folks are competent enough and electricity + internet is stable. Then why India only?
- wowlookatme 6y agoI don't think those countries have a high concentration of tech workers that are cheaper than workers in the United States. If they did I'm sure we'd have a very valuable working arrangement with those countries.
- giantg2 6y agoI was using India as an example since they already have a large number of English speakers.
- simonebrunozzi 6y agoI used to work at AWS. They weren't really interested in "education". Then I co-founded Cloud Academy with three other friends, to teach people about AWS (and later, Azure and GCP). A few years later in 2019, QA Learning bought it for a good sum. I was heavily involved since the beginning and right until the end, but never got to a proper full-time status. The full-time founders deserve most of the credit. And now, finally, AWS seems to recognize the true value of education. The best hook ever for a cloud product. If you are high up at GCP or Azure and want to compete against AWS on education, message me. I have plenty of ways to help you.
- ignoramous 6y agoNot sure if AWS wasn't aware (free-tier exists for a reason). Though, AWS did (?) have some form of partnership with Qwiklabs, but then; Google swooped in and acquired them. https://blog.google/products/google-cloud/welcome-qwiklabs-google-cloud/ https://blog.google/products/google-cloud/welcome-qwiklabs-g...
- Consultant32452 6y agoThis is the Amazon business model. If a third party seller starts making money selling something, they offer their own version and put it at the top of the results/attention.
- jonas_kgomo 6y agoHey Simone , I would like to learn more about your approach
- simonebrunozzi 6y agosimone dot brunozzi at popular google email service
- StratusBen 6y agoThat's because in a few years the AWS Console will require 29M people just to figure out how to do anything.
- 11thEarlOfMar 6y agoThe only cloud computing role I can think of that would benefit from 29 million human beings would be interacting with AI to train it.
- Breza 6y agoImagine that many people thinking of the cloud first when imagining any project. I'm a data scientist and I run most of my projects on my workstation laptop. There are plenty of data scientists who immediately go to a cloud provider for any analysis (which isn't necessarily a bad thing, just a different approach). Extend that to other fields and there's lots of ways to profit from tens of millions of AWS users.
- agentofoblivion 6y agoI get that this is smothered in PR. But isn’t this one of those “win/win” situations? Providing people with a path into the profitable tech industry that otherwise wouldn’t have one is likely a net positive for their future prospects. The fact that AWS stands to gain from this in the long term doesn’t take away from that. Is it only nice if someone suffers?
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- thrower 6y agoBypass paywall: https://archive.is/Lpz4N https://archive.is/Lpz4N