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A perfect laptop would also be waterproof, user upgradable hardware (eg add more memory), user serviceable, hardware buttons for camera & bluetooth, more travel

by ape4 6y ago

A perfect laptop would also be waterproof, user upgradable hardware (eg add more memory), user serviceable, hardware buttons for camera & bluetooth, more travel for keyboard (I know that's hard when its thin but I can ask).

robert_foss 6y ago
Run your OS of choice
- mhh__ 6y ago
  Can't be doing that now!
  - dvfjsdhgfv 6y ago
    https://www.techradar.com/news/you-can-now-run-linux-and-windows-on-the-m1-macs https://www.techradar.com/news/you-can-now-run-linux-and-win...
    - mhh__ 6y ago
      "Near native performance" i.e. not native
      - coldtea 6y ago
        Yeah, so? Native performance doesn't mean anything aside from the same program/OS running on the same system. In other words, "native performance" is the baseline for a relative speed comparison, not some absolute value that makes sense in itself. Thus, "Near native" on the M1 could be faster than native on an Intel machine. Or on an ARM, for that matter: https://www.macworld.co.uk/news/apple-m1-runs-windows-faster-3798990/#:~:text=Apple's%20new%20M1%20processor%20can,Microsoft's%20Surface%20Pro%20X%20series.&text=When%20running%20the%20ARM%20version,multi%2Dcore%20rating%20of%204%2C769 https://www.macworld.co.uk/news/apple-m1-runs-windows-faster....
        mhh__ 6y ago
        Native means you have access to the hardware through the kernel of your choice, it's not about performance. If there is a hypervisor in between you and your CPU - let alone emulation - you lose direct access to things like performance counters (which I need to be able to do a lot of things I enjoy programming). On top of that you also now have to trust (this isn't even security, the implementation can be buggy) a hypervisor - they effectively have to mimic the behaviour of a CPU, they aren't perfect.
        coldtea 6y ago
        >Native means you have access to the hardware through the kernel of your choice, it's not about performance. Yeah, I know what "native" means. I talked about the use of "native performance". That when used for comparison, it doesn't mean anything, unless it compares between the program running on the native OS and virtualized on the same machine. So, saying "Near native performance" i.e. not native" (a) doesn't say anything as a general statement (of course it's less than 100% of native, as its virtualized), and (b) is moot as an argument against the M1 (since this "non native" performance could still could be e.g. 100% or even 120% of the native performance of another machine, which would make it more than enough).
laurentdc 6y ago
eGPU support
chewz 6y ago
$200 Pinebook Pro? https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2020/06/pinebook-pro-review-a-200-foss-to-the-hilt-magnesium-chassis-laptop/ https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2020/06/pinebook-pro-review-... My 10 year old Thinkpad x230 has most of that (retail price circa $100)...
- 495636483 6y ago
  If someone makes the "non-apple M1" ARM SoC, then I'd be 100% sold on an PineTAB, if it got pen input, too. I would drop all the money I got on that. 2K @ 12" or 13", some USB-C ports, 500GB storage and a good battery. Vanilla butter brain bath for some magnetic dock connector. Standard Linux DE for all I care. That would be the perfect mobile device. External mobility module with mobile internet, GPS, small laser beamer, lidar and camera; Compute module with additional graphics or cpu power. All this would be possible today, although not for pine64.
- coldtea 6y ago
  >$200 Pinebook Pro? I think he also means it would be usable. That has neither the battery life, nor the speed, as in TFA.
fabiospampinato 6y ago
The perfect computational device would kind of be just a much better brain, no keyboard no buttons no screens no untrusted software no untrusted hardware.
ksec 6y ago
>more travel for keyboard I am glad I am not the only one. .7 mm - butterfly keyboard 1 mm - new 16” MBP scissor keyboard 1.3 mm - old scissor keyboard I dont want a 0.3mm thinner MacBook at the expense of typing experience. To me it is a world of difference. Edit: I guess there are too many M1 news this is now being flagged.....
AriaMinaei 6y ago
Some people associate repairability with bulk and thermal issues. This is almost never the case. There is ultimately some tradeoff between repairability and size/weight/thermals due to physics. But companies compromise on repairability way below an actual physical limit. Examples: - To replace the batteries of a MBP Retina, you must disassemble the entire motherboard before freeing up the batteries [0]. A lot of people end up damaging the board in the process. - The Surface Laptop isn't even meant to be opened. If you open it, you can't put it back together [1]. I wonder what "physical tradeoff" Microsoft made here that even Apple didn't have to make in an iPhone? - All MBPs after MBP Retina have the NVMe drive soldered on [2]. The drive is paired with the secure enclave, but clearly they could've offered a mechanism/service to pair a new drive rather than force the user buy a whole new laptop. [0] https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/MacBook+Pro+15-Inch+Retina+Display+Mid+2014+Battery+Replacement/90276 https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/MacBook+Pro+15-Inch+Retina+Disp... [1] https://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Microsoft+Surface+Laptop+Teardown/92915#teardownConclusion https://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Microsoft+Surface+Laptop+Tea... [2] https://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/MacBook+Pro+16-Inch+2019+Teardown/128106#teardownConclusion https://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/MacBook+Pro+16-Inch+2019+Tea...

by ape4 6y ago

robert_foss 6y ago

Run your OS of choice

mhh__ 6y ago
Can't be doing that now!
- dvfjsdhgfv 6y ago
  https://www.techradar.com/news/you-can-now-run-linux-and-windows-on-the-m1-macs https://www.techradar.com/news/you-can-now-run-linux-and-win...
  - mhh__ 6y ago
    "Near native performance" i.e. not native
    - coldtea 6y ago
      Yeah, so? Native performance doesn't mean anything aside from the same program/OS running on the same system. In other words, "native performance" is the baseline for a relative speed comparison, not some absolute value that makes sense in itself. Thus, "Near native" on the M1 could be faster than native on an Intel machine. Or on an ARM, for that matter: https://www.macworld.co.uk/news/apple-m1-runs-windows-faster-3798990/#:~:text=Apple's%20new%20M1%20processor%20can,Microsoft's%20Surface%20Pro%20X%20series.&text=When%20running%20the%20ARM%20version,multi%2Dcore%20rating%20of%204%2C769 https://www.macworld.co.uk/news/apple-m1-runs-windows-faster....
      - mhh__ 6y ago
        Native means you have access to the hardware through the kernel of your choice, it's not about performance. If there is a hypervisor in between you and your CPU - let alone emulation - you lose direct access to things like performance counters (which I need to be able to do a lot of things I enjoy programming). On top of that you also now have to trust (this isn't even security, the implementation can be buggy) a hypervisor - they effectively have to mimic the behaviour of a CPU, they aren't perfect.
        coldtea 6y ago
        >Native means you have access to the hardware through the kernel of your choice, it's not about performance. Yeah, I know what "native" means. I talked about the use of "native performance". That when used for comparison, it doesn't mean anything, unless it compares between the program running on the native OS and virtualized on the same machine. So, saying "Near native performance" i.e. not native" (a) doesn't say anything as a general statement (of course it's less than 100% of native, as its virtualized), and (b) is moot as an argument against the M1 (since this "non native" performance could still could be e.g. 100% or even 120% of the native performance of another machine, which would make it more than enough).

laurentdc 6y ago

eGPU support

chewz 6y ago

$200 Pinebook Pro? https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2020/06/pinebook-pro-review-a-200-foss-to-the-hilt-magnesium-chassis-laptop/ https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2020/06/pinebook-pro-review-... My 10 year old Thinkpad x230 has most of that (retail price circa $100)...

495636483 6y ago
If someone makes the "non-apple M1" ARM SoC, then I'd be 100% sold on an PineTAB, if it got pen input, too. I would drop all the money I got on that. 2K @ 12" or 13", some USB-C ports, 500GB storage and a good battery. Vanilla butter brain bath for some magnetic dock connector. Standard Linux DE for all I care. That would be the perfect mobile device. External mobility module with mobile internet, GPS, small laser beamer, lidar and camera; Compute module with additional graphics or cpu power. All this would be possible today, although not for pine64.
coldtea 6y ago
>$200 Pinebook Pro? I think he also means it would be usable. That has neither the battery life, nor the speed, as in TFA.

fabiospampinato 6y ago

The perfect computational device would kind of be just a much better brain, no keyboard no buttons no screens no untrusted software no untrusted hardware.

ksec 6y ago

>more travel for keyboard I am glad I am not the only one. .7 mm - butterfly keyboard 1 mm - new 16” MBP scissor keyboard 1.3 mm - old scissor keyboard I dont want a 0.3mm thinner MacBook at the expense of typing experience. To me it is a world of difference. Edit: I guess there are too many M1 news this is now being flagged.....

AriaMinaei 6y ago

Some people associate repairability with bulk and thermal issues. This is almost never the case. There is ultimately some tradeoff between repairability and size/weight/thermals due to physics. But companies compromise on repairability way below an actual physical limit. Examples: - To replace the batteries of a MBP Retina, you must disassemble the entire motherboard before freeing up the batteries [0]. A lot of people end up damaging the board in the process. - The Surface Laptop isn't even meant to be opened. If you open it, you can't put it back together [1]. I wonder what "physical tradeoff" Microsoft made here that even Apple didn't have to make in an iPhone? - All MBPs after MBP Retina have the NVMe drive soldered on [2]. The drive is paired with the secure enclave, but clearly they could've offered a mechanism/service to pair a new drive rather than force the user buy a whole new laptop. [0] https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/MacBook+Pro+15-Inch+Retina+Display+Mid+2014+Battery+Replacement/90276 https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/MacBook+Pro+15-Inch+Retina+Disp... [1] https://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Microsoft+Surface+Laptop+Teardown/92915#teardownConclusion https://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Microsoft+Surface+Laptop+Tea... [2] https://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/MacBook+Pro+16-Inch+2019+Teardown/128106#teardownConclusion https://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/MacBook+Pro+16-Inch+2019+Tea...