4 ms·

M1 can accelerate the shift of home users to Macs. Microsoft devices are already out-fashioned by apple. The Windows UX is also subpar comparing to Apple. Now

M1 can accelerate the shift of home users to Macs. Microsoft devices are already out-fashioned by apple. The Windows UX is also subpar comparing to Apple. Now the hardware is also gonna completely fall behind. If all the young people get mac's for their home computers, will the next generations use Windows at workplace? Im talking about 10-20 years landscape for Windows and Office.

myaccount275 6y ago
I find the macOS UX to be inferior compared to Windows. This is mostly a matter of habit, and what people are used to and how they expect things to behave.
tokamak-teapot 6y ago
I haven't noticed much acknowledgement of sole traders, as they're called in the UK. Very often when I see someone who's working for themselves they have a Macbook Air. While they're more expensive to buy new than many Windows laptops, the general sentiment from those I've spoken to seems to be: * It's worth the extra money for more reliable operation and fewer worries about malware. * Buying used is much less of a lottery. They tend not to have hidden problems. * Selling used means you actually get some return to put towards your next device. I see people using Office and Chrome or Safari - and not much else.
- the-enterprise 6y ago
  This same narrative has been touted for many decades now. I have heard it for 20+ years, yet the rate of windows usage in the quantifiable sense remains has varied only slightly.
- pjmlp 6y ago
  UK is a tier 1 country, G7 member, many people can only dream of pound level salaries.
sime2009 6y ago
> M1 can accelerate the shift of home users to Macs. I can't see the M1 making a lick of difference here. Home users aren't going to double their budgets to afford an Apple machine, especially one which can't even play most games.
- morganvachon 6y ago
  > Home users aren't going to double their budgets to afford an Apple machine... If I were to switch to a Mac mini I would pay about $350 less than it cost me to build my main workstation/gaming machine. According to the benchmarks and real-world tests, I'd gain quite a bit in performance over my Ryzen build, with a fraction of the power consumption which is currently 120W idle, 310W maxed out as measured by my UPS. Per real world tests, the M1 mini never goes above ~35W and stays cool and quiet even when maxed out on stress tests. Given the fact I no longer play games much at all beyond WoW and a few indie titles, and my non-gaming workflow is 100% doable on macOS, I'm sorely tempted to switch even with my reservations about Apple as a company. > ...especially one which can't even play most games. No one buys a Mac for AAA games, that's a fact and probably won't change immediately. With that said, Blizzard has day one native Apple Silicon support for WoW, and the benchmarks indicate the performance (depending on the game engine) sits somewhere between the GeForce 1650 and 1660 for most of the games tested so far. That covers pretty much all non-AAA titles on the performance side, leaving portability as the only real issue. I've seen tests done with Steam games and most macOS native x86_64 games make the transition via Rosetta2 quite nicely. Not to mention, M1 Macs can now run most iOS apps natively which opens up a horde of games to the platform immediately, including popular titles like Minecraft, Fortnite, and CoD.
  - andrewprock 6y ago
    I do think that's the disconnect. Apple has eschewed gaming whereas Microsoft has embraced it. It turns out that gaming is a huge moat, and until Apple decides to invade they will be relegated to second place in the PC market. On the flip side, the PC market is less and less relevant as phones have become the primary computing platform in the last 10 years.
kristopolous 6y ago
I'd actually see a desktop Linux or desktop Android as more realistic unless Apple stops being so intentionally hostile to their users and treat them with some dawdling infantilism. This cult game they're playing is going to eventually crash and they'll have to start designing software that's not just theatrics and showmanship
neogodless 6y ago
All the young people I know (OK about a dozen nieces, nephews and neighbor kids) got PC laptops. Maybe I live in a bubble where kids playing video games is more common, but it seems like getting $300-500 laptops that can play thousands of PC games (and be used for homework) is still a pretty popular option. (Some of the older youth are getting $600-1000 PC gaming laptops instead.) > Now the hardware is also gonna completely fall behind. This may happen. For efficiency/battery life, it already has. But a handful of synthetic benchmarks where the M1 outperforms high-end AMD desktop chips in single core seems to have overshadowed the cases where those same desktop chips (and even some comparable 15W mobile APUs) outperform the M1 in other tasks. Or the huge segment of PC gaming.

myaccount275 6y ago

I find the macOS UX to be inferior compared to Windows. This is mostly a matter of habit, and what people are used to and how they expect things to behave.

tokamak-teapot 6y ago

I haven't noticed much acknowledgement of sole traders, as they're called in the UK. Very often when I see someone who's working for themselves they have a Macbook Air. While they're more expensive to buy new than many Windows laptops, the general sentiment from those I've spoken to seems to be: * It's worth the extra money for more reliable operation and fewer worries about malware. * Buying used is much less of a lottery. They tend not to have hidden problems. * Selling used means you actually get some return to put towards your next device. I see people using Office and Chrome or Safari - and not much else.

the-enterprise 6y ago
This same narrative has been touted for many decades now. I have heard it for 20+ years, yet the rate of windows usage in the quantifiable sense remains has varied only slightly.
pjmlp 6y ago
UK is a tier 1 country, G7 member, many people can only dream of pound level salaries.

sime2009 6y ago

> M1 can accelerate the shift of home users to Macs. I can't see the M1 making a lick of difference here. Home users aren't going to double their budgets to afford an Apple machine, especially one which can't even play most games.

morganvachon 6y ago
> Home users aren't going to double their budgets to afford an Apple machine... If I were to switch to a Mac mini I would pay about $350 less than it cost me to build my main workstation/gaming machine. According to the benchmarks and real-world tests, I'd gain quite a bit in performance over my Ryzen build, with a fraction of the power consumption which is currently 120W idle, 310W maxed out as measured by my UPS. Per real world tests, the M1 mini never goes above ~35W and stays cool and quiet even when maxed out on stress tests. Given the fact I no longer play games much at all beyond WoW and a few indie titles, and my non-gaming workflow is 100% doable on macOS, I'm sorely tempted to switch even with my reservations about Apple as a company. > ...especially one which can't even play most games. No one buys a Mac for AAA games, that's a fact and probably won't change immediately. With that said, Blizzard has day one native Apple Silicon support for WoW, and the benchmarks indicate the performance (depending on the game engine) sits somewhere between the GeForce 1650 and 1660 for most of the games tested so far. That covers pretty much all non-AAA titles on the performance side, leaving portability as the only real issue. I've seen tests done with Steam games and most macOS native x86_64 games make the transition via Rosetta2 quite nicely. Not to mention, M1 Macs can now run most iOS apps natively which opens up a horde of games to the platform immediately, including popular titles like Minecraft, Fortnite, and CoD.
- andrewprock 6y ago
  I do think that's the disconnect. Apple has eschewed gaming whereas Microsoft has embraced it. It turns out that gaming is a huge moat, and until Apple decides to invade they will be relegated to second place in the PC market. On the flip side, the PC market is less and less relevant as phones have become the primary computing platform in the last 10 years.

kristopolous 6y ago

I'd actually see a desktop Linux or desktop Android as more realistic unless Apple stops being so intentionally hostile to their users and treat them with some dawdling infantilism. This cult game they're playing is going to eventually crash and they'll have to start designing software that's not just theatrics and showmanship

neogodless 6y ago

All the young people I know (OK about a dozen nieces, nephews and neighbor kids) got PC laptops. Maybe I live in a bubble where kids playing video games is more common, but it seems like getting $300-500 laptops that can play thousands of PC games (and be used for homework) is still a pretty popular option. (Some of the older youth are getting $600-1000 PC gaming laptops instead.) > Now the hardware is also gonna completely fall behind. This may happen. For efficiency/battery life, it already has. But a handful of synthetic benchmarks where the M1 outperforms high-end AMD desktop chips in single core seems to have overshadowed the cases where those same desktop chips (and even some comparable 15W mobile APUs) outperform the M1 in other tasks. Or the huge segment of PC gaming.