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Are Intel claims valid somewhere ? They are probably not in Europe where patents generally cannot be used to prevent interoperability.

by Rexxar 6y ago

orra 6y ago
> patents generally cannot be used to prevent interoperability I think you're thinking of copyright? Where reverse engineering is allowed for interoperability.
- DaiPlusPlus 6y ago
  No, it's patent-law, not copyright law. Interestingly while the US has Fair Use (which is an open-ended legal defence), I don't think any countries in the EU (or "Western Europe" if Brexit happens) have anything beyond the closed and enumerated "Fair Dealing" defence).
  - 0xffff2 6y ago
    >or "Western Europe" if Brexit happens Wait a second, one of us is behind the times. I thought Brexit happened earlier this year?
    - cogman10 6y ago
      Brexit is in a constant state of happening and not happening. You can think of it like a qubit.
      - 0xffff2 6y ago
        That was true for a long time, but to quote the Government of the Netherlands (the closest thing I can find to an official source) [0]: >The United Kingdom (UK) left the European Union (EU) on 31 January 2020. A transition period is now in place until 31 December 2020. As far as I can tell from my distant vantage point on the west coast of North America, there is very little doubt left. Brexit has already happened and most of the fallout will be settled by the end of this month. I supposed you could say that it's still in a constant state of happening, but it's well past the point of "not happening" as far as I can tell. [0]: https://www.government.nl/topics/brexit/brexit-where-do-we-stand https://www.government.nl/topics/brexit/brexit-where-do-we-s...
        cogman10 6y ago
        We'll see what happens. I mean, it's possible that they actually end up going through with a complete exit on Dec 31. My guess, however, is that there will be ongoing negotiations for a long time to come. The UK is likely to be out but only in the sense that they don't now get to vote on EU resolutions. They'll likely make negotiations with the EU which end up putting them right back where they were (regulation wise). That's my expectation at least. They may feel the full pain of a full exit on Dec 31, I doubt they'll want to continue in that state for very long. There's also the possibility of yet another extension on the transition period.
    - zymhan 6y ago
      It did, but the final exit deal has yet to be worked out.
    - rsynnott 6y ago
      Well, that depends what you mean by Brexit :) The UK ceased being in the EU in January, and transitioned into a temporary EEA membership, subject to most EU law. That comes to an end in a few days; at that point what happens next depends on the outcome of negotiations. There's certainly a world in which EU patent rules continue to apply to the UK; in fact, that would probably have been the default assumption until the British government went off the deep end. So, if you use 'Brexit' to mean purely the legalistic act of leaving the EU, then yes, it's happened. However, effectively none of the _effects_ of Brexit have happened yet.

Are Intel claims valid somewhere ? They are probably not in Europe where patents generally cannot be used to prevent interoperability.

by Rexxar 6y ago

Are Intel claims valid somewhere ? They are probably not in Europe where patents generally cannot be used to prevent interoperability.

orra 6y ago

> patents generally cannot be used to prevent interoperability I think you're thinking of copyright? Where reverse engineering is allowed for interoperability.

DaiPlusPlus 6y ago
No, it's patent-law, not copyright law. Interestingly while the US has Fair Use (which is an open-ended legal defence), I don't think any countries in the EU (or "Western Europe" if Brexit happens) have anything beyond the closed and enumerated "Fair Dealing" defence).
- 0xffff2 6y ago
  >or "Western Europe" if Brexit happens Wait a second, one of us is behind the times. I thought Brexit happened earlier this year?
  - cogman10 6y ago
    Brexit is in a constant state of happening and not happening. You can think of it like a qubit.
    - 0xffff2 6y ago
      That was true for a long time, but to quote the Government of the Netherlands (the closest thing I can find to an official source) [0]: >The United Kingdom (UK) left the European Union (EU) on 31 January 2020. A transition period is now in place until 31 December 2020. As far as I can tell from my distant vantage point on the west coast of North America, there is very little doubt left. Brexit has already happened and most of the fallout will be settled by the end of this month. I supposed you could say that it's still in a constant state of happening, but it's well past the point of "not happening" as far as I can tell. [0]: https://www.government.nl/topics/brexit/brexit-where-do-we-stand https://www.government.nl/topics/brexit/brexit-where-do-we-s...
      - cogman10 6y ago
        We'll see what happens. I mean, it's possible that they actually end up going through with a complete exit on Dec 31. My guess, however, is that there will be ongoing negotiations for a long time to come. The UK is likely to be out but only in the sense that they don't now get to vote on EU resolutions. They'll likely make negotiations with the EU which end up putting them right back where they were (regulation wise). That's my expectation at least. They may feel the full pain of a full exit on Dec 31, I doubt they'll want to continue in that state for very long. There's also the possibility of yet another extension on the transition period.
  - zymhan 6y ago
    It did, but the final exit deal has yet to be worked out.
  - rsynnott 6y ago
    Well, that depends what you mean by Brexit :) The UK ceased being in the EU in January, and transitioned into a temporary EEA membership, subject to most EU law. That comes to an end in a few days; at that point what happens next depends on the outcome of negotiations. There's certainly a world in which EU patent rules continue to apply to the UK; in fact, that would probably have been the default assumption until the British government went off the deep end. So, if you use 'Brexit' to mean purely the legalistic act of leaving the EU, then yes, it's happened. However, effectively none of the _effects_ of Brexit have happened yet.