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Currently shopping for an email host. For 2-3 accounts, Protonmail is pretty pricey, compared with tutanota... I've heard good things about protonmail, but does

Currently shopping for an email host. For 2-3 accounts, Protonmail is pretty pricey, compared with tutanota... I've heard good things about protonmail, but does anybody have experience with tutanota or any of the other alternatives listed?

zabhi 6y ago
Migadu is awesome. And way too cheap.
- newscracker 6y ago
  The pricing model changed a few months ago for the worse, IMO. And Migadu just gave one month’s time for users to switch from the previous free tier (with a footer ad) to a paid tier. During a worldwide pandemic with debilitating effects on many people, this was a move that wasn’t thought through. I’d personally not trust Migadu to care much for customers based on trying it in the past and seeing this move unfold.
  - dejan 6y ago
    Pandemic hit everyone, including us, that is why we cannot afford to subsidize free users anymore. The new paid tier is ~$1.6 monthly or about 5 cents a day, which is affordable in every corner of the planet. We also never refused to help those that by some chance cannot afford it.
    - newscracker 6y ago
      In case you happen to see this late reply, I do not have a problem with moving to completely paid plans since "free" costs you money and time. But the short notice of one month during a time like this was really not thought through at all from the users' perspective. Unless you were going bankrupt, this is unconscionable. Your update and rebranding didn't say one word about the short notice and the reasoning behind it. Also, the lowest paid tier has limitations whereas the next tier after that is a huge jump in price. For these reasons, I cannot consider Migadu as a trustworthy provider right now.
      - dejan 6y ago
        Seen it :) The notice was actually given in early August, and the change took effect in October. We have extended trial to all that asked for it without problems. We did say in the update what happened. The lowest paid plan has only limitations in tools for multi-admin, everything else is the same with lower quota obviously, but that is already double what was on the free plan. All good, just that has nothing to do with trust. Trust works both ways. There is no such thing as free lunch, and we have always called the "free" plan "unlimited trial" with clear statement that we can revoke it at anytime.
BallyBrain 6y ago
I use mailbox.org. They offer encryption and I believe have a focus on privacy. best part is 1 euro a month, but that is for their basic package which I think should be enough for most people. Edit: I only use 1 email account with them though, don't know how they go for multiple.
bingo_cannon 6y ago
I have been using Fastmail for a few years now. Pretty happy with them.
Merman_Mike 6y ago
I like Fastmail. Longevity is important to me in an email provider. They've been around for 20+ years and seem to be well liked.
- timwis 6y ago
  Same. Switched a couple years ago.
allthecybers 6y ago
Hey.com is a different approach to email, and subscription based so you aren't paying with your data.
- newscracker 6y ago
  It’s also more expensive than ProtonMail or Tutanota.
Buetol 6y ago
If you use your own domain for email, you can change host anytime you want, pretty nice.
- kennywinker 6y ago
  I wouldn't dream of using the provider's domain - but it's still a hassle to switch email providers (especially if you want your old mail ported over)
newscracker 6y ago
ProtonMail and Tutanota don’t primarily support IMAP (well, ProtonMail does as an option with an additional “bridge application“). Take a look at Posteo.de (if you’re fine with no support for custom domains) and mailbox.org and runbox.com if you want custom domain support. If you’re fine with the provider being in the U.S. and want a cheap solution for multiple domains, then mxroute may be good. It also has some very cheap plans and offers going on (check the lowendtalk.com forums).
ulfw 6y ago
I've been happy with Microsoft Exchange for years. Pushes straight to Apple Mail on iPhone/iPad etc
BeetleB 6y ago
Curious: Why not sign up for a web hosting provider that provides email as well? Dreamhost right now has a discount for $4/mo if you sign up for one year. Otherwise it's $9/mo in general. You get unlimited user email accounts. And you get web hosting should you ever want it. Their email interface may not be great, but I download using IMAP anyway. And you could install your own preferred web interface on the shared hosting you'll have.
- kennywinker 6y ago
  I guess my feeling was that an email-only provider would have better service than a web hosting provider where email is more of an afterthought. Also, while a shared host is comparable in price with fastmail or protonmail - if I went with tutanota or a similarly priced offering, it's about 1/3 the price (for 3 accounts).
  - BeetleB 6y ago
    It is likely true that an email only provider may have more features. In my experience, the support Dreamhost has provided me whenever I needed it has been exemplary. However, yes, mail is a low priority for them, and I think they focus on just providing the basics (secure, no frills email). They do have a spam filter, but I don't use it. If you just need the basics: Email addresses, with stuff like SMTP and IMAP support, Dreamhost is more than adequate.
Doctor_Fegg 6y ago
I'm very happy with Runbox.

zabhi 6y ago

Migadu is awesome. And way too cheap.

newscracker 6y ago
The pricing model changed a few months ago for the worse, IMO. And Migadu just gave one month’s time for users to switch from the previous free tier (with a footer ad) to a paid tier. During a worldwide pandemic with debilitating effects on many people, this was a move that wasn’t thought through. I’d personally not trust Migadu to care much for customers based on trying it in the past and seeing this move unfold.
- dejan 6y ago
  Pandemic hit everyone, including us, that is why we cannot afford to subsidize free users anymore. The new paid tier is ~$1.6 monthly or about 5 cents a day, which is affordable in every corner of the planet. We also never refused to help those that by some chance cannot afford it.
  - newscracker 6y ago
    In case you happen to see this late reply, I do not have a problem with moving to completely paid plans since "free" costs you money and time. But the short notice of one month during a time like this was really not thought through at all from the users' perspective. Unless you were going bankrupt, this is unconscionable. Your update and rebranding didn't say one word about the short notice and the reasoning behind it. Also, the lowest paid tier has limitations whereas the next tier after that is a huge jump in price. For these reasons, I cannot consider Migadu as a trustworthy provider right now.
    - dejan 6y ago
      Seen it :) The notice was actually given in early August, and the change took effect in October. We have extended trial to all that asked for it without problems. We did say in the update what happened. The lowest paid plan has only limitations in tools for multi-admin, everything else is the same with lower quota obviously, but that is already double what was on the free plan. All good, just that has nothing to do with trust. Trust works both ways. There is no such thing as free lunch, and we have always called the "free" plan "unlimited trial" with clear statement that we can revoke it at anytime.

BallyBrain 6y ago

I use mailbox.org. They offer encryption and I believe have a focus on privacy. best part is 1 euro a month, but that is for their basic package which I think should be enough for most people. Edit: I only use 1 email account with them though, don't know how they go for multiple.

bingo_cannon 6y ago

I have been using Fastmail for a few years now. Pretty happy with them.

Merman_Mike 6y ago

I like Fastmail. Longevity is important to me in an email provider. They've been around for 20+ years and seem to be well liked.

timwis 6y ago
Same. Switched a couple years ago.

allthecybers 6y ago

Hey.com is a different approach to email, and subscription based so you aren't paying with your data.

newscracker 6y ago
It’s also more expensive than ProtonMail or Tutanota.

Buetol 6y ago

If you use your own domain for email, you can change host anytime you want, pretty nice.

kennywinker 6y ago
I wouldn't dream of using the provider's domain - but it's still a hassle to switch email providers (especially if you want your old mail ported over)

newscracker 6y ago

ProtonMail and Tutanota don’t primarily support IMAP (well, ProtonMail does as an option with an additional “bridge application“). Take a look at Posteo.de (if you’re fine with no support for custom domains) and mailbox.org and runbox.com if you want custom domain support. If you’re fine with the provider being in the U.S. and want a cheap solution for multiple domains, then mxroute may be good. It also has some very cheap plans and offers going on (check the lowendtalk.com forums).

ulfw 6y ago

I've been happy with Microsoft Exchange for years. Pushes straight to Apple Mail on iPhone/iPad etc

BeetleB 6y ago

Curious: Why not sign up for a web hosting provider that provides email as well? Dreamhost right now has a discount for $4/mo if you sign up for one year. Otherwise it's $9/mo in general. You get unlimited user email accounts. And you get web hosting should you ever want it. Their email interface may not be great, but I download using IMAP anyway. And you could install your own preferred web interface on the shared hosting you'll have.

kennywinker 6y ago
I guess my feeling was that an email-only provider would have better service than a web hosting provider where email is more of an afterthought. Also, while a shared host is comparable in price with fastmail or protonmail - if I went with tutanota or a similarly priced offering, it's about 1/3 the price (for 3 accounts).
- BeetleB 6y ago
  It is likely true that an email only provider may have more features. In my experience, the support Dreamhost has provided me whenever I needed it has been exemplary. However, yes, mail is a low priority for them, and I think they focus on just providing the basics (secure, no frills email). They do have a spam filter, but I don't use it. If you just need the basics: Email addresses, with stuff like SMTP and IMAP support, Dreamhost is more than adequate.

Doctor_Fegg 6y ago

I'm very happy with Runbox.