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You see that's the difference between you and I. I don't view countries as representations of righteous morality, I view them as market participants, no differ

You see that's the difference between you and I. I don't view countries as representations of righteous morality, I view them as market participants, no different than you or I or a corporation or a financial institution is a market participant. Speculators with legitimate reasons to stuff their coffers. There are many people and organizations like me, and make no mistake, the other countries around a country thinks the exact same way. When a country cannot reach consensus on how to tax, that is a prison of their own creation. When a coalition of countries cannot reach consensus on how to curb behaviors they don't like, that is also a prison of their own creation. They are in competition with each other. Some of us are playing by a set of rules that recognizes that, it is also a more effective set of rules.

allendoerfer 6y ago
You do realize how laws are being made and how loopholes find their way into tax codes? States are not individuals, you cannot treat them like a person, just being to dumb to do what's good for them. They are run by many people everyone of which having their own profit motives. So it is very easy to lobby them into doing stuff detrimental to the general public. It is much easier for a company run by its founders to act morally. Airbnb does not, which to me is not the end of the world, but worth pointing out in thread about how great those founders supposedly are. Suggesting that it is just the state's fault is a naive view.
- vmception 6y ago
  I understand that and it reinforces my opinion, lobbying works because representatives and sometimes officials with unilateral control are told to do things because they are too dumb to do what's good for them. That is lobbying, the word used when you respect that particular country, or corruption, the word used when you don't respect that particular country. In my experience across jurisdictions, the process is analogous. The obvious answer that you haven't accepted is that, in this conversation, you are a diver surrounded by amoral sharks. We all view and see the gradient of relativity and are not swayed by your arguments. The consequences guide the actions, and a municipality's hotel tax or zoning laws are the toothless kinds of laws, so toothless that it isn't even worth bothering to change them. Did you see how gig apps lobbied with push notifications against California laws and referendums and court rulings? Because of the consequences.

allendoerfer 6y ago

You do realize how laws are being made and how loopholes find their way into tax codes? States are not individuals, you cannot treat them like a person, just being to dumb to do what's good for them. They are run by many people everyone of which having their own profit motives. So it is very easy to lobby them into doing stuff detrimental to the general public. It is much easier for a company run by its founders to act morally. Airbnb does not, which to me is not the end of the world, but worth pointing out in thread about how great those founders supposedly are. Suggesting that it is just the state's fault is a naive view.

vmception 6y ago
I understand that and it reinforces my opinion, lobbying works because representatives and sometimes officials with unilateral control are told to do things because they are too dumb to do what's good for them. That is lobbying, the word used when you respect that particular country, or corruption, the word used when you don't respect that particular country. In my experience across jurisdictions, the process is analogous. The obvious answer that you haven't accepted is that, in this conversation, you are a diver surrounded by amoral sharks. We all view and see the gradient of relativity and are not swayed by your arguments. The consequences guide the actions, and a municipality's hotel tax or zoning laws are the toothless kinds of laws, so toothless that it isn't even worth bothering to change them. Did you see how gig apps lobbied with push notifications against California laws and referendums and court rulings? Because of the consequences.