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Except the apps are the 3rd-party parts. In your example: Volkswagen imposes quality controls on those parts, making sure they're not going to blow up or subve
by earhart 6y ago
Except the apps are the 3rd-party parts.
In your example: Volkswagen imposes quality controls on those parts, making sure they're not going to blow up or subvert the car.
As soon as other shops can install 3rd-party parts, you have a race to the bottom for shops, no one's enforcing quality controls, and you wind up with cars that, for example, get better performance by violating emissions standards except when they're actively being tested.
(So, maybe we should be using some manufacturer other than Volkswagen. :-)
- centimeter 6y ago> get better performance by violating emissions standards Good. 95% of emissions standards are bullshit. In any case, the ability to theoretically violate regulations isn't a reason to preclude people from DIY or third party repairs.
- m00x 6y ago> In your example: Volkswagen imposes quality controls on those parts, making sure they're not going to blow up or subvert the car. So, like almost everything you buy? This is why branding and reputation are important. You can be cheap, but you get what you pay for.
- chrisseaton 6y agoBut we don't want to have to check brands and research - we want a trusted party ensuring quality because their reputation is on the line.
- koyote 6y agoThat does not go away, there's nothing stopping you from buying genuine parts from the manufacturer if you trust them more than the competition.
- chrisseaton 6y agoBut having a system that accepts non-genuine parts leads to a more complicated system. Apple's system is simple. Android's system is more complicated because it has multiple app stores. I don't want that complexity.
- koyote 6y agoThat's an interesting way of thinking which I've not really encountered outside of Soviet-style centrally controlled economy advocates and the like. Do you feel the same way about all other things in life where you are presented with a choice? Would you prefer there to only be a single grocery store you get your groceries from, for example?
- chrisseaton 6y agoNo I’m in favour of competition, but competition between simple clean focused products, not the Homer cars other people seem to want. If you want a different App Store then market a different phone don’t drag down the iPhone.
- gambiting 6y agoI just don't understand. I really try hard to understand, but I physically can't I think. Let's say that hypothetically, there was another store present on iOS. Does that stop you(or anyone) from only ever using the Apple App Store?? On Android, there are several other stores available, yet I have never felt the need to use any of them - they exist, they have their own customers.....but....that's it. It's like if you already have one shop in your village, so you prevent others from opening even though literally nothing would force you to go to these other shops and you can still enjoy the original shop as much as you did before. Literally nothing changes in your life, but you want to prevent others from having a choice, even if you yourself don't appreciate the choice. That's mindboggling to me.
- chrisseaton 6y ago
- paxys 6y ago> In your example: Volkswagen imposes quality controls on those parts, making sure they're not going to blow up or subvert the car. And they are free to do it. Have your own set of trusted dealers and vendors. Void warranty for off-branded parts. However, once I buy the car I am also free to go to any shitty unsafe vendor I want. VW can't tell me not to do that, because it's my car not theirs. Do you think it would be okay if Volkswagen remotely shut down your car because they didn't like the brand of gas you put in it (for your own safety of course)?
- gambiting 6y agoI'm not sure I understand what you are trying to say. >>As soon as other shops can install 3rd-party parts But....they can. Of course they can. What's more, both EU and US law protects the ability of 3rd parties to make replacement parts, and your ability as the consumer to fit those parts. The law goes so far as forbidding manufactuers from voiding your warranty due to fitting of non-OEM parts unless they can specifically prove that the part that you fitted caused problems. >>you wind up with cars that, for example, get better performance by violating emissions standards except when they're actively being tested. Again, that's already a thing and has been a thing since forever. Modding is extremely popular in some circles. Just like flashing your phone with custom FW is popular in certain circles too, but that doesn't mean that once it's allowed everyone and their grandma will suddenly run some HAXXOR build of iOS.
- earhart 6y agoIt was, in hindsight, a lame attempt at a joke, based on Volkswagen's history with skirting emissions controls. More seriously, it's hard to know what all's installed on your phone, and what all it's doing; car parts are intrinsically sandboxed. It'll be interesting to see what happens when always-connected self-driving cars have enough compute power to run self-driving systems and people are free to install random apps without great security (because car manufacturers seem to be awful at that). I'm predicting cutesy weather apps that quietly mine crypto all night long...