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I'm a bit surprised to hear this, I thought Clojure shops would be better than this. It was must hard to find any candidates and they're still doing the stupid

I'm a bit surprised to hear this, I thought Clojure shops would be better than this. It was must hard to find any candidates and they're still doing the stupid leetcode interview style? Are these companies putting any thought into their hiring process? That process was created by FANG because they can abuse their candidates and still get a lot of applicants (although I think this is less true than it used to be) But to use that same hazing ritual at a smaller company with the hiring funnel further reduced by a niche language? Really stupid.

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jakebasile 6y ago
I agree, but it's definitely still common enough even among Clojure shops. I think it's an insight wide plague but despite so many of us hating it, it persists.
smarx007 6y ago
Alternative perspective: we were thinking to hire an M.Sc. thesis worker to do some work in Prolog and we definitely contemplated how to make the interview harder. The point was not to be monsters. Instead, Prolog is harder than JS and thesis is shorter than a few-year contract and there is less help on SO. If we hire someone who can barely write Prolog or understand what RDFS inteference is, the output will be nearly zero. Also, if the person struggles to complete something in 6 months, they will get anxious too and nobody wins. But obviously not a regular "hard" algorithms interview. Also, a senior engineer was essentially suggesting ways to completely rewrite my Prolog code in PRs for quite a while. So I hope you can appreciate why Clojure and other niche shops are a bit more selective.
- johnnycerberus 6y ago
  Prolog is not harder than JavaScript, it is just different. I would hire somebody that is interested in Prolog and good with data structures and algorithms in general, and by good I mean knowing the nitty-gritty behind them. In my experience, exotic languages are not enough, they are not good indicators that you have a prospect in front of you.
mto 6y ago
Recently seen some statistics (if I could just find them) where clojure was one of those languages with more people wanting to work with it than jobs. Compared to something like Go where it was the other way round

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jakebasile 6y ago

I agree, but it's definitely still common enough even among Clojure shops. I think it's an insight wide plague but despite so many of us hating it, it persists.

smarx007 6y ago

Alternative perspective: we were thinking to hire an M.Sc. thesis worker to do some work in Prolog and we definitely contemplated how to make the interview harder. The point was not to be monsters. Instead, Prolog is harder than JS and thesis is shorter than a few-year contract and there is less help on SO. If we hire someone who can barely write Prolog or understand what RDFS inteference is, the output will be nearly zero. Also, if the person struggles to complete something in 6 months, they will get anxious too and nobody wins. But obviously not a regular "hard" algorithms interview. Also, a senior engineer was essentially suggesting ways to completely rewrite my Prolog code in PRs for quite a while. So I hope you can appreciate why Clojure and other niche shops are a bit more selective.

johnnycerberus 6y ago
Prolog is not harder than JavaScript, it is just different. I would hire somebody that is interested in Prolog and good with data structures and algorithms in general, and by good I mean knowing the nitty-gritty behind them. In my experience, exotic languages are not enough, they are not good indicators that you have a prospect in front of you.

mto 6y ago

Recently seen some statistics (if I could just find them) where clojure was one of those languages with more people wanting to work with it than jobs. Compared to something like Go where it was the other way round