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"Most people don't create" ...and ChromeOS would change that? Availability of tools is not something that needs to immediately follow daily use. Not all my fa

by arihant 15y ago

"Most people don't create" ...and ChromeOS would change that? Availability of tools is not something that needs to immediately follow daily use. Not all my family cooks. We still have a kitchen.

PetrolMan 15y ago
Basic creation tools will still be there (Google Docs) and more tools are becoming available online to replace traditional desktop tools. I was actually just taking a good look at online IDEs...
- swah 15y ago
  Some of us will only move when Chromebooks are being used to develop the software that powers a Chromebook, otherwise we'll disregard them as toys.
scott_s 15y ago
I'm confused by what your point is because I'm not sure if you understand mine. My point was that most people don't use their existing computers for creative purposes, so introducing a computer with limited creative potential won't change much.
- arihant 15y ago
  It will. Just because most people don't cook, we start selling houses without kitchen, don't you think its a slippery and wrong slope? Look at ipad running GarageBand, thats the stuff we want. People don't create only when when creating stuff sucks. Just like I only cook when all I have to do is "add hot water". There is a quote that comes to mind: "Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler." - Albert Einstein.
  - scott_s 15y ago
    You're assuming that this new Chrome netbook-laptop-thingy will replace the typical desktop computer. I don't think it will. My parents love their iPads (yes, iPads, plural, they each have one because being retired means you no longer have to share) yet still bought a new desktop when their old one died.
    - arihant 15y ago
      You're right. I was a little presumptuous there. My mind is corrupted by all the post-pc speculation going on. :) I do think that these devices are more of an internet window. At the same time, they are in standard PC form factor. I feel chromeOS chose a bad form factor. Think about it, you are happy carrying your laptop or having a desktop with your current internet window (iPads), but imagine carrying and having chromebook with a macbook. That doesn't look like a solution, thats an ugly desk. Point being - I won't be the only one who will every now and then, mistakenly or otherwise, compare chrombooks to the PCs. If they look like one, they might as well bang like one.
      - maxwell 15y ago
        Browsers are winning as runtime environments, and thry include offline, local apps. The difference between Chromebooks and other devices is that apps written for the former should work on the latter. The issue isn't Chrome OS (or, say, Safari OS or Firefox OS or IEOS); what runs on my Cr-48 runs on every other device too, while apps on the iPhone in my hands and the Ubuntu desktop at my house and Windows desktop at my office all contain apps that can't run on my Cr-48. HTML, CSS, and JS already won, in the sense that English had "won" a hundred years ago. What I'm waiting for browser performance and developers (myself included) to write apps that "bang", not webbooks that run legacy software.
  - true_religion 15y ago
    Your analogy is a bit off there. You're comparing no kitchen (in a world where most people don't cooking) to limited creative avenues (in a world where most people don't create). A limitation is not the same thing as a complete absence of potential. After correcting your analogy, I can think of situations where landlords do not provide full kitchens---for example apartments, or temporary vacation condos or business suites. You can technically cook, but you can't cook very much.

by arihant 15y ago

"Most people don't create" ...and ChromeOS would change that? Availability of tools is not something that needs to immediately follow daily use. Not all my family cooks. We still have a kitchen.

PetrolMan 15y ago

Basic creation tools will still be there (Google Docs) and more tools are becoming available online to replace traditional desktop tools. I was actually just taking a good look at online IDEs...

swah 15y ago
Some of us will only move when Chromebooks are being used to develop the software that powers a Chromebook, otherwise we'll disregard them as toys.

scott_s 15y ago

I'm confused by what your point is because I'm not sure if you understand mine. My point was that most people don't use their existing computers for creative purposes, so introducing a computer with limited creative potential won't change much.

arihant 15y ago
It will. Just because most people don't cook, we start selling houses without kitchen, don't you think its a slippery and wrong slope? Look at ipad running GarageBand, thats the stuff we want. People don't create only when when creating stuff sucks. Just like I only cook when all I have to do is "add hot water". There is a quote that comes to mind: "Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler." - Albert Einstein.
- scott_s 15y ago
  You're assuming that this new Chrome netbook-laptop-thingy will replace the typical desktop computer. I don't think it will. My parents love their iPads (yes, iPads, plural, they each have one because being retired means you no longer have to share) yet still bought a new desktop when their old one died.
  - arihant 15y ago
    You're right. I was a little presumptuous there. My mind is corrupted by all the post-pc speculation going on. :) I do think that these devices are more of an internet window. At the same time, they are in standard PC form factor. I feel chromeOS chose a bad form factor. Think about it, you are happy carrying your laptop or having a desktop with your current internet window (iPads), but imagine carrying and having chromebook with a macbook. That doesn't look like a solution, thats an ugly desk. Point being - I won't be the only one who will every now and then, mistakenly or otherwise, compare chrombooks to the PCs. If they look like one, they might as well bang like one.
    - maxwell 15y ago
      Browsers are winning as runtime environments, and thry include offline, local apps. The difference between Chromebooks and other devices is that apps written for the former should work on the latter. The issue isn't Chrome OS (or, say, Safari OS or Firefox OS or IEOS); what runs on my Cr-48 runs on every other device too, while apps on the iPhone in my hands and the Ubuntu desktop at my house and Windows desktop at my office all contain apps that can't run on my Cr-48. HTML, CSS, and JS already won, in the sense that English had "won" a hundred years ago. What I'm waiting for browser performance and developers (myself included) to write apps that "bang", not webbooks that run legacy software.
- true_religion 15y ago
  Your analogy is a bit off there. You're comparing no kitchen (in a world where most people don't cooking) to limited creative avenues (in a world where most people don't create). A limitation is not the same thing as a complete absence of potential. After correcting your analogy, I can think of situations where landlords do not provide full kitchens---for example apartments, or temporary vacation condos or business suites. You can technically cook, but you can't cook very much.