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> I think Apple should either charge considerably less than they do for distribution via their App Stores The biggest problem for many people is not the %, but

> I think Apple should either charge considerably less than they do for distribution via their App Stores The biggest problem for many people is not the %, but the rules and limitations of the platform that comes from Apple being the intermediary between devs and users. For example, game streaming services should exist on the app store. It is preposterous that apple rejects these apps. They are actively harming thier own platform, making it less featureful by doing this. Being this intermediary is both a pro and a con for both devs and users, but they disallow anyone else to innovate on the platform. If Apple is so confident that their IAP is what users prefer, then they should give users (and developers) the choice and let the market speak!

zepto 6y ago
They don’t actually reject game streaming services. They just reject game streaming storefronts. They have already said they are fine with streaming games, as long as each title is in the App Store.
- madeofpalk 6y ago
  Which is unfeasable for game streaming services, so in practice they do reject any game streaming service that functions as consumers expect them to. It was a deliberate decision that was made to make it highly impractical to actually do. GeForce now has over 2000 games available to stream - do they actually expect Nvidia to submit 2000 apps? From a dev-infra POV that’s obviously largely impractical. Would Apple even allow that? It’s also a baffling from the user’s point of view. What happens a single game is available on multiple platforms? I search for “Destiny 2” on the App Store and there’s 3 different listings for it on Stadia, GeForce Now and Xbox GPU. Would it be reasonable for Apple to require Netflix to submit each movie and TV show to the App Store, and then say "no no, we do allow streaming tv!"
  - alexeldeib 6y ago
    Does Nvidia even have the proper licenses to do that? Seems like one thing to stream the games vs. upload the standalone apps to the store (implying they are available in full-featured form). > It’s also a baffling from the user’s point of view. What happens a single game is available on multiple platforms? I search for “Destiny 2” on the App Store and there’s 3 different listings for it on Stadia, GeForce Now and Xbox GPU. this is gross...
  - zepto 6y ago
    Sounds a lot like those game streaming services are just an end run around the App Store. In any case it seems like the point is moot now because streaming games will be delivered to iOS via the web.
  - JimDabell 6y ago
    > GeForce now has over 2000 games available to stream - do they actually expect Nvidia to submit 2000 apps? From a dev-infra POV that’s obviously largely impractical. This isn’t impractical – it’s entirely possible to set up a build / deploy pipeline to the App Store for mass submission of applications. It’s annoying in places, but Apple are slowly getting better at providing APIs to make this easier, and there are third-party tools like Fastlane which also help. > Would Apple even allow that? If they were all instances of a single white-labelled streaming application, Apple would probably require the games to be published using developer accounts belonging to the rights holders for the games instead of publishing everything through an Nvidia account. This is an established requirement in those circumstances. It depends upon how they view the ownership of what is being published. Again, setting up a pipeline for this is annoying but doable.
    - saagarjha 6y ago
      Guess who makes it hard to submit many templated apps in an automated fashion? You guessed it, it's Apple.
      - zepto 6y ago
        Given that they claim to individually review each app within a short timeframe, a bulk upload would make it impractical for them to provide this service.
        m45t3r 6y ago
        > Given that they claim to individually review each app within a short timeframe, a bulk upload would make it impractical for them to provide this service. And they do a super good job at reviewing apps, right? /s
        zepto 6y ago
        I knew someone would make this comment, but sarcasm aside, you don’t seem to be disagreeing.
- philjohn 6y ago
  Would that not be analogous to them requiring Netflix or Amazon Prime Video having to list all of their videos one by one in Apple TV? I can buy that for games that you purchase through another storefront, but not for something like XBox Games Pass which gives you access to a number of games for one monthly fee.

zepto 6y ago

They don’t actually reject game streaming services. They just reject game streaming storefronts. They have already said they are fine with streaming games, as long as each title is in the App Store.

madeofpalk 6y ago
Which is unfeasable for game streaming services, so in practice they do reject any game streaming service that functions as consumers expect them to. It was a deliberate decision that was made to make it highly impractical to actually do. GeForce now has over 2000 games available to stream - do they actually expect Nvidia to submit 2000 apps? From a dev-infra POV that’s obviously largely impractical. Would Apple even allow that? It’s also a baffling from the user’s point of view. What happens a single game is available on multiple platforms? I search for “Destiny 2” on the App Store and there’s 3 different listings for it on Stadia, GeForce Now and Xbox GPU. Would it be reasonable for Apple to require Netflix to submit each movie and TV show to the App Store, and then say "no no, we do allow streaming tv!"
- alexeldeib 6y ago
  Does Nvidia even have the proper licenses to do that? Seems like one thing to stream the games vs. upload the standalone apps to the store (implying they are available in full-featured form). > It’s also a baffling from the user’s point of view. What happens a single game is available on multiple platforms? I search for “Destiny 2” on the App Store and there’s 3 different listings for it on Stadia, GeForce Now and Xbox GPU. this is gross...
- zepto 6y ago
  Sounds a lot like those game streaming services are just an end run around the App Store. In any case it seems like the point is moot now because streaming games will be delivered to iOS via the web.
- JimDabell 6y ago
  > GeForce now has over 2000 games available to stream - do they actually expect Nvidia to submit 2000 apps? From a dev-infra POV that’s obviously largely impractical. This isn’t impractical – it’s entirely possible to set up a build / deploy pipeline to the App Store for mass submission of applications. It’s annoying in places, but Apple are slowly getting better at providing APIs to make this easier, and there are third-party tools like Fastlane which also help. > Would Apple even allow that? If they were all instances of a single white-labelled streaming application, Apple would probably require the games to be published using developer accounts belonging to the rights holders for the games instead of publishing everything through an Nvidia account. This is an established requirement in those circumstances. It depends upon how they view the ownership of what is being published. Again, setting up a pipeline for this is annoying but doable.
  - saagarjha 6y ago
    Guess who makes it hard to submit many templated apps in an automated fashion? You guessed it, it's Apple.
    - zepto 6y ago
      Given that they claim to individually review each app within a short timeframe, a bulk upload would make it impractical for them to provide this service.
      - m45t3r 6y ago
        > Given that they claim to individually review each app within a short timeframe, a bulk upload would make it impractical for them to provide this service. And they do a super good job at reviewing apps, right? /s
        zepto 6y ago
        I knew someone would make this comment, but sarcasm aside, you don’t seem to be disagreeing.
philjohn 6y ago
Would that not be analogous to them requiring Netflix or Amazon Prime Video having to list all of their videos one by one in Apple TV? I can buy that for games that you purchase through another storefront, but not for something like XBox Games Pass which gives you access to a number of games for one monthly fee.