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Applying your own bartender analogy, in this case pornhub should be properly policing the content made available on their website. Mastercard doesn't have any u

Applying your own bartender analogy, in this case pornhub should be properly policing the content made available on their website. Mastercard doesn't have any useful domain knowledge.

Barrin92 6y ago
They should (as far as they can), and Mastercard should take responsibility as far as they can. Both should take appropriate levels of responsibility given the capacity and scope that they have. I assume Pornhub already does try to directly address child abuse that is obvious from the content, I assume Mastercard can go further and identify child abuse based on known entities in their payment system, and so on. And if both fail, they should delegate information upwards, but only then.
- Spooky23 6y ago
  Porn isn’t business any processor wants to be publicly associated with. If there’s evidence that the site isn’t policing itself, they are gone.
  - ogre_codes 6y ago
    MC & Visa do business with thousands (millions?) of adult shops in the US. They have no moral compass or concerns about being involved in financial transactions with porn purveyors. They do have a tremendous aversion to people involved in criminal activity or at high risk of doing so. Once PH started publicly flirting with that threshold they got dumped.
    - Spooky23 6y ago
      The morality police are the police. It's a different scope. Porn shops sell product in one place and local authorities deal with that. A bigger entity with interstate impact is a federal matter and penalties are much more severe.
ogre_codes 6y ago
This bartender analogy is terrible... But in this case, the drunk in question just crashed his car on the street corner just outside the bar and is stumbling up to the bar to get a drink. Given recent news, it's pretty clear that PornHub's controls on content were terrible. There is little evidence the measures they put in place are sufficient or even that they've effectively purged all media that features underaged or non-consenting participants. PornHub needs to show they have implemented effective controls over content. Google did it with YouTube. Facebook deals with it. Even this forum has a mechanism for preventing illegal activity. MasterCard doesn't need domain expertise when there is a smoking gun in public. It's up to PornHub at this point to prove they have effective controls.
- notyourday 6y ago
  I am breathlessly awaiting MC and VISA to dump Facebook, Instagram and Reddit. The amount of sex trafficing content there makes pornhub look like a church going virgin.

Applying your own bartender analogy, in this case pornhub should be properly policing the content made available on their website. Mastercard doesn't have any useful domain knowledge.

Barrin92 6y ago

They should (as far as they can), and Mastercard should take responsibility as far as they can. Both should take appropriate levels of responsibility given the capacity and scope that they have. I assume Pornhub already does try to directly address child abuse that is obvious from the content, I assume Mastercard can go further and identify child abuse based on known entities in their payment system, and so on. And if both fail, they should delegate information upwards, but only then.

Spooky23 6y ago
Porn isn’t business any processor wants to be publicly associated with. If there’s evidence that the site isn’t policing itself, they are gone.
- ogre_codes 6y ago
  MC & Visa do business with thousands (millions?) of adult shops in the US. They have no moral compass or concerns about being involved in financial transactions with porn purveyors. They do have a tremendous aversion to people involved in criminal activity or at high risk of doing so. Once PH started publicly flirting with that threshold they got dumped.
  - Spooky23 6y ago
    The morality police are the police. It's a different scope. Porn shops sell product in one place and local authorities deal with that. A bigger entity with interstate impact is a federal matter and penalties are much more severe.

ogre_codes 6y ago

This bartender analogy is terrible... But in this case, the drunk in question just crashed his car on the street corner just outside the bar and is stumbling up to the bar to get a drink. Given recent news, it's pretty clear that PornHub's controls on content were terrible. There is little evidence the measures they put in place are sufficient or even that they've effectively purged all media that features underaged or non-consenting participants. PornHub needs to show they have implemented effective controls over content. Google did it with YouTube. Facebook deals with it. Even this forum has a mechanism for preventing illegal activity. MasterCard doesn't need domain expertise when there is a smoking gun in public. It's up to PornHub at this point to prove they have effective controls.

notyourday 6y ago
I am breathlessly awaiting MC and VISA to dump Facebook, Instagram and Reddit. The amount of sex trafficing content there makes pornhub look like a church going virgin.