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I believe you're contradicting yourself. In your example, if the underage drinkers pay using MasterCard, then it's MCs job to check, as they're doing to pornhu

I believe you're contradicting yourself. In your example, if the underage drinkers pay using MasterCard, then it's MCs job to check, as they're doing to pornhub. MasterCard should stay out of it, as they do in other situations.

Barrin92 6y ago
>, if the underage drinkers pay using MasterCard, then it's MCs job to check no, a bartender is always obligated to verify the age of people who enter their establishment if in doubt, regardless of how they pay. You won't get off the hook selling booze to minors because they pay digitally. And that is actually very reasonable for the exact reason I pointed out, if it was MC's responsibility they would have an immediate excuse to snoop into my purchasing history for every minor transaction. (which they already have to a far too large degree).
- McDyver 6y ago
  Exactly. MasterCard has nothing to do with verifying the legality of the transaction - pornhub, or whoever, should do their due diligence to validate everything is legal.
  - notyourday 6y ago
    Facebook Reddit Instagram Vimeo Snapchat CashApp Venmo Every single one of these companies has trafficking minors problem. All of them dwarf pornhub's.
- UnFleshedOne 6y ago
  Aren't you contradicting yourself? In this case pornhub is the bartender, and MC is MC. Here we have a few underage drinkers tricking or convincing a bartender to pour a drink, and MC is stopping payment processing for the bar and you agree that's the right thing?
  - Barrin92 6y ago
    No, I'm not contradicting myself, I'm saying the level of authority should be appropriate to the issue at hand. Child abuse apparently widespread enough to go beyond Pornhub's already existing moderation implies some responsibility for the payment processors, and also at the end of the day responsibility of the law enforcement. What I'm saying is there is no division of labour in the sense of outsourcing everything to law enforcement, or everything to Pornhub.
  - Spooky23 6y ago
    Its a bad analogy. If an online liquor store was systematically ignoring ABC laws and shipping booze to underage customers across state lines, MC would probably act in a similar way.

Barrin92 6y ago

>, if the underage drinkers pay using MasterCard, then it's MCs job to check no, a bartender is always obligated to verify the age of people who enter their establishment if in doubt, regardless of how they pay. You won't get off the hook selling booze to minors because they pay digitally. And that is actually very reasonable for the exact reason I pointed out, if it was MC's responsibility they would have an immediate excuse to snoop into my purchasing history for every minor transaction. (which they already have to a far too large degree).

McDyver 6y ago
Exactly. MasterCard has nothing to do with verifying the legality of the transaction - pornhub, or whoever, should do their due diligence to validate everything is legal.
- notyourday 6y ago
  Facebook Reddit Instagram Vimeo Snapchat CashApp Venmo Every single one of these companies has trafficking minors problem. All of them dwarf pornhub's.
UnFleshedOne 6y ago
Aren't you contradicting yourself? In this case pornhub is the bartender, and MC is MC. Here we have a few underage drinkers tricking or convincing a bartender to pour a drink, and MC is stopping payment processing for the bar and you agree that's the right thing?
- Barrin92 6y ago
  No, I'm not contradicting myself, I'm saying the level of authority should be appropriate to the issue at hand. Child abuse apparently widespread enough to go beyond Pornhub's already existing moderation implies some responsibility for the payment processors, and also at the end of the day responsibility of the law enforcement. What I'm saying is there is no division of labour in the sense of outsourcing everything to law enforcement, or everything to Pornhub.
- Spooky23 6y ago
  Its a bad analogy. If an online liquor store was systematically ignoring ABC laws and shipping booze to underage customers across state lines, MC would probably act in a similar way.