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> crime is rampant (...) looks exactly like many east Asian metropolis at night Dunno about that, I was in Seoul for a few months for work and I've never felt
by f00zz 6y ago
> crime is rampant (...) looks exactly like many east Asian metropolis at night
Dunno about that, I was in Seoul for a few months for work and I've never felt safer in my life, even while walking alone downtown in the middle of the night.
- manuelabeledo 6y agoI meant that the cities look similar, not that they have the same issues.
- bllguo 6y agoyeah Seoul, Singapore, Tokyo, the Chinese megacities - crime is not "rampant" in any
- CodeGlitch 6y agoHow have they achieved this do you know?
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- trustmeimrite 6y agoYou felt safe because of their immigration policies. Not letting culturally incompatible people in results in extremely low crime rates.
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- d_e_solomon 6y agoWoah. That's a hot take. Got a source for it?
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- cambalache 6y agoOr maybe having advanced economies with better safety and family networks than the west would do the trick. Save your barely secretly coded racism for another time.
- HexagonalKitten 6y agoOne problem in understanding the actual issues with mass immigration is the intentional conflation of culture, religion, and race. Religion and culture are HUGE parts of a community's behavior and race almost isn't at all. To use the largest and most brutal example, the UK rape gangs are 97% Pakistani. It isn't because of race, but because of religion and culture. A religion that doesn't respect women and a culture that doesn't respect the law. The two people I know who got banned from FB for pointing this out are a Pakistani expat and a Qatari Arab. It's not a racial thing. They both very persuasively show that it's structural issues in both the country and in Islam that make this almost expected behavior. Much like how the thin-blue-line might seem noble to police but obviously just leads to abuse. So these people trying to criticize their culture to improve it, much like everyone calling out the USA, christians, police, etc, were shut down by the white people who assumed they were being racist - towards themselves... Much doublethink. When you come along and call out reasonable issues as 'coded racism' you're never going to stop the rape, and at best you're just going to cause racism. "No," they may think, "I didn't say that person was X race, but you are, and you're really defensive about it. Maybe you're on to something." But it almost feels like that's the goal these days. Accelerationists picking fights in everyone else's name, trying to burn down the system at all costs.
- manuelabeledo 6y ago> Not letting culturally incompatible people in... South Korea does not have a "cultural compatibility test" as a requisite for immigration. But I see your point. It is a disgusting one to make, though.
- HexagonalKitten 6y agoIf you take them at their word, why is it disgusting? What is wrong with cultural compatibility? Why shouldn't a country want people who will help, and not want people who won't? Is this not what countries already do by trying to find productive workers instead of future welfare cases? By turning away people who have committed sexual assault or other crimes. By looking for people who say good things about their host country, not who denigrate it.
- manuelabeledo 6y agoUnder your assumptions, countries like the US would be entirely white and Protestant, and asylum seekers would never be allowed to enter. Neither would be a great thing.
- HexagonalKitten 6y agoWhich assumption? Can you quote it? From my reading, you're the one assuming that white protestants are going to do better in these tests and that is racist etc. Also, like most people, I differentiate between immigration and asylum. Asylum is like taking your neighbor in after their house burns down. Immigration is like inviting them to stay as a roommate. There are very few people I wouldn't extend a helping hand to, but not a lot who I'd want to live with.
- krapp 6y agoThe assumption that immigrants cannot assimilate into another culture, will not contribute or be productive workers and will likely be welfare cases or criminals is obviously not true in the general case, and is only a thinly veiled and obvious proxy argument against Muslim and Indian immigration into Europe, itself a proxy argument about maintaining white racial and ethnic homogeneity. Unless it can be proven that the majority of immigrants to Korea or other Asian countries are as destructive as described, and demonstrate the same for European immigrants to other European countries, or even for Asians immigrating to Europe or the US, framing the argument in general terms is clearly specious.
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