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> Brave Rewards is built on the Basic Attention Token (BAT) and is a new way to value attention, connecting users, content creators, and advertisers. Yea no th

by wil421 6y ago

> Brave Rewards is built on the Basic Attention Token (BAT) and is a new way to value attention, connecting users, content creators, and advertisers. Yea no thanks. As you said come we should be heading towards privacy not finding new ways to value “attention”.

ketamine__ 6y ago
Without advertising sites would require direct payment and that would make most sites unavailable to all but the rich.
- MereInterest 6y ago
  I rather miss the days when sites were operated by enthusiasts in a field, rather than by opportunists outside of the field, hoping to cash in on advertising dollars and privacy violations. Maybe that's rose-tinted glasses, but that's how it feels.
- wil421 6y ago
  You can have advertising without invasive tracking.
adkadskhj 6y ago
Those aren't mutually exclusive are they? Eg lets say we have 100% privacy tomorrow. Some magical browser, 100% anonymous. That doesn't mean no one is going to try and have an ROI for published content on the internet.. producers still want to get paid for content and/or products, and consumers still want to avoid paying. So yay we got privacy, but what is the next step? You said it, finding new ways to value attention - or more specifically adjusting monetization to this new anonymous reality. Not that i'm defending BAT here at all - just that the idea of both respecting privacy and paying content creators are not mutually exclusive. The internet doesn't exist without cash flow, simply put. And no one wants to pay.. so.... (note: i do want to pay, but i'm the minority - imo. "Free to Play Internet" reigns supreme)
- qz2 6y ago
  I think the problem is actually that content has no value because it’s cheap to copy. It never did have hence why we had to come up with other parasitic models to make money out of it. One way was to stick a wall around it but because it’s so easy to get content elsewhere without that wall it’s a dead end. For me, if I was to write content it’d be open, free and be used for marketing my skills which you can’t copy easily. Value comes from scarcity, consumer apathy, skill and trade off gains. Content doesn’t win anything there.

by wil421 6y ago

ketamine__ 6y ago

Without advertising sites would require direct payment and that would make most sites unavailable to all but the rich.

MereInterest 6y ago
I rather miss the days when sites were operated by enthusiasts in a field, rather than by opportunists outside of the field, hoping to cash in on advertising dollars and privacy violations. Maybe that's rose-tinted glasses, but that's how it feels.
wil421 6y ago
You can have advertising without invasive tracking.

adkadskhj 6y ago

Those aren't mutually exclusive are they? Eg lets say we have 100% privacy tomorrow. Some magical browser, 100% anonymous. That doesn't mean no one is going to try and have an ROI for published content on the internet.. producers still want to get paid for content and/or products, and consumers still want to avoid paying. So yay we got privacy, but what is the next step? You said it, finding new ways to value attention - or more specifically adjusting monetization to this new anonymous reality. Not that i'm defending BAT here at all - just that the idea of both respecting privacy and paying content creators are not mutually exclusive. The internet doesn't exist without cash flow, simply put. And no one wants to pay.. so.... (note: i do want to pay, but i'm the minority - imo. "Free to Play Internet" reigns supreme)

qz2 6y ago
I think the problem is actually that content has no value because it’s cheap to copy. It never did have hence why we had to come up with other parasitic models to make money out of it. One way was to stick a wall around it but because it’s so easy to get content elsewhere without that wall it’s a dead end. For me, if I was to write content it’d be open, free and be used for marketing my skills which you can’t copy easily. Value comes from scarcity, consumer apathy, skill and trade off gains. Content doesn’t win anything there.