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In the decade that I've had an android phone (and my father, and my wife), I've not once encountered: * malware * a notification that can't be dismissed that

In the decade that I've had an android phone (and my father, and my wife), I've not once encountered: * malware * a notification that can't be dismissed that doesn't justify not being able to be dismissed * bundleware can exist on android, especially on budget phones. Pay the price you pay for an iPhone and this generally is no longer an issue. On the off chance there is something bundled, you can disable system installed apps, which removes them visually from everything except for deep within the settings app. * The only time I've encountered what I would consider "nonsense" is on shared testing devices. Sometimes they have all sorts of strange apps installed that cause the phones to behave strangely. I've never ran into this myself on an actual device used by someone. However I also don't install a bunch of random apps. And neither does anyone in my family it seems (at least that I'm aware of--and I'm the go to for technical issues within my extended family). So my opinion here is limited. I'd also add that Apple's rules create "nonsense" in some peoples opinions (app developers for one, but also iPhone owners who can't install what they want, or can't pay the way they want to pay). For what it's worth, I also interact with iPhone(s) on a daily basis (for testing software primarily).

deeeeplearning 6y ago
> bundleware can exist on android, especially on budget phones. Have you bought a Samsung in the past 5 years? Literally filled to the brim with "Bundleware" and these are considered the top tier Android phones so I don't know what your are talking about. It's extremely pervasive.
nxc18 6y ago
Yeah, IDK, just looking at the Samsung Galaxy Note 10 in front of me, I see: * Two notifications that can't be hidden, one about a postponed update, the other about a system configuration update it probably should handle on its own. * Another unhidable notification about there not being a SIM card, but that is niche enough I can't feel bothered about it. * Pre-installed apps I can't remove: Netflix, Facebook, Samsung Notes, OneDrive, YouTube, Duo, Maps, GMail, Bixby. This phone cost $300 more than my iPhone new I'm glad you've never experienced malware. Unfortunately, it is common enough on Play and other stores that users have to worry about antivirus: https://www.pcmag.com/picks/the-best-android-antivirus-apps https://www.pcmag.com/picks/the-best-android-antivirus-apps Even if users don't seek it out, many phones come with it preinstalled.
- camhart 6y ago
  You don't need an antivirus on android. Not unless you're sideloading apps and your device doesn't have Google Play on it. Notifications about phone os updates seems like a bit of a stretch. When my Windows device has updates I can't remove those notifications. And on MacOS I can't close the update window though the notification can be dismissed (at least for the Big Sur update I just did last week). iPhone's have apps that can't be removed that come from Apple. Ever tried removing Siri? Bixby seems like Samsung's rough equivalent. Some Apple apps you can remove but then the phone's "system functionality" becomes questionable (https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT208094 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT208094). Seeing as android=Google, and Samsung=Note10 it's not too much of a stretch for them to bundle apps. I'd agree--it'd still be nice to be able to remove everything. But the bundleware you're complaining about, outside of the device manufacturers and OS owner, amount to Netflix, Facebook, and OneDrive. Yea less than ideal. But disable them if you don't want them there and they'll be as good as gone aside from a few mb of space. Again--not ideal, but it's hard to believe this is that big of a deal breaker.

deeeeplearning 6y ago

> bundleware can exist on android, especially on budget phones. Have you bought a Samsung in the past 5 years? Literally filled to the brim with "Bundleware" and these are considered the top tier Android phones so I don't know what your are talking about. It's extremely pervasive.

nxc18 6y ago

Yeah, IDK, just looking at the Samsung Galaxy Note 10 in front of me, I see: * Two notifications that can't be hidden, one about a postponed update, the other about a system configuration update it probably should handle on its own. * Another unhidable notification about there not being a SIM card, but that is niche enough I can't feel bothered about it. * Pre-installed apps I can't remove: Netflix, Facebook, Samsung Notes, OneDrive, YouTube, Duo, Maps, GMail, Bixby. This phone cost $300 more than my iPhone new I'm glad you've never experienced malware. Unfortunately, it is common enough on Play and other stores that users have to worry about antivirus: https://www.pcmag.com/picks/the-best-android-antivirus-apps https://www.pcmag.com/picks/the-best-android-antivirus-apps Even if users don't seek it out, many phones come with it preinstalled.

camhart 6y ago
You don't need an antivirus on android. Not unless you're sideloading apps and your device doesn't have Google Play on it. Notifications about phone os updates seems like a bit of a stretch. When my Windows device has updates I can't remove those notifications. And on MacOS I can't close the update window though the notification can be dismissed (at least for the Big Sur update I just did last week). iPhone's have apps that can't be removed that come from Apple. Ever tried removing Siri? Bixby seems like Samsung's rough equivalent. Some Apple apps you can remove but then the phone's "system functionality" becomes questionable (https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT208094 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT208094). Seeing as android=Google, and Samsung=Note10 it's not too much of a stretch for them to bundle apps. I'd agree--it'd still be nice to be able to remove everything. But the bundleware you're complaining about, outside of the device manufacturers and OS owner, amount to Netflix, Facebook, and OneDrive. Yea less than ideal. But disable them if you don't want them there and they'll be as good as gone aside from a few mb of space. Again--not ideal, but it's hard to believe this is that big of a deal breaker.