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Most people don't want a choice of browser or to worry about syncing different accounts or running WoW on every single computer they buy. Most people want to br

by cryptoz 16y ago

Most people don't want a choice of browser or to worry about syncing different accounts or running WoW on every single computer they buy. Most people want to browse the web without virusus or hassles or intrusive software updates. It's very very clear that this is not meant for full content creation and gaming and a giant desktop experience. This is meant for the web on the go. If you don't want it, that's fine. But are you seriously saying you can't imagine a single living human being wanting this device? Ken, you're being silly here. Clearly, this is something that fits the needs of a huge number of people.

kenjackson 16y ago
Let me be clear. I'd love this device for free. Or like I said, even $100 I could see it being a fair price. But when you price at the same price of a netbook that performs really well (the new ASUS Eee Pcs are pretty darn impressive beasts for a $289 machine), with all of its limitations, it just doesn't make sense. This needs to be more like a Kindle. A device you get even if you already have a laptop and an iPad. The price needs to be way lower.
- cryptoz 16y ago
  sigh Look, it's not about the hardware. What software is that $289 machine going to run? Windows? Right, so you'll be removing viruses for years after people continue to watch seedy porn sites? Sounds like fun. This device is intriguing and useful because of the software; it stays out of your way and keeps you safe. That's worth the price to nearly everyone who isn't a nerd.
  - mestudent 16y ago
    The only reason that machine runs Windows is because people think they want Windows, it is rather ingrained at this point in time. I could see some people using this and being okay but I see tons of others wondering where their microsoft office is, and to be honest a boat load of other problems from the people who malware is already a problem. (I can even see people asking where the internet is or how to get to facebook or google while looking at a chrome browser window). These chromebooks sadly will only satisfy a niche market and this market probably would be served just as well with a similarly specked netbook running linux
  - kenjackson 16y ago
    I guess our experiences are just fundamentally different. With the plethora of free good antivirus programs that you can download, I find viruses are largely a thing of the past. In the old days you had to pay $50/year for virus protection. And you had to go to a brick and mortar store or order it from Amazon. Cost and effort made it less common for end users to have antivirus. Now, I install it on every box I maintain. I don't even ask them (as before, I'd have to ask, do you want to pay $50/year and many friends would say "no thanks"). I just don't get malware/virus calls anymore. For the most part I don't get many calls at all anymore. The ones I do are generally usability questions like how do I get my pictures properly downloaded and tagged. Or what's the password to my password manager again (yes, I keep a collection to other people's password managers in my password manager, because I've gotten this call often enough) :-)
    - ctdonath 16y ago
      "With the plethora of free good antivirus programs that you can download" That's the key: most users don't download and install things, don't know where to find what they want/need, and if they do they screw it up. They don't have free IT (i.e.: you) to do it for them. They want it like TV: turn it on, pick from a limited set of options, and just use it.
    - cryptoz 16y ago
      Still, you're saying that when a user buys a computer, it is their responsibility to go searching on the web for a free, reputable and safe anti-virus company to download software from? Why? Why should they care? Why is it still necessary to do that? Can't someone build a computer where you turn it on and it works safely the first time? That's what Google just did. Some people want that. Badly. Edit: Surely you'll see this problem with your scenario. You, Ken Jackson, must use the computer before your friend/family does, in order to make it safe. That's pretty messed up, no? This stuff should just work, no need to go find programs to download before your computer is working properly.
      - kenjackson 16y ago
        Still, you're saying that when a user buys a computer, it is their responsibility to go searching on the web for a free, reputable and safe anti-virus company to download software from? Yes it is. Why? Unfortunately due to antitrust concerns. I'm sure MS would love to bundle MS Security Essentials, but they fear doing so would likely end up in the courts. Can't someone build a computer where you turn it on and it works safely the first time? You can, although ironically its not in the best interest of most computer vendors. They get paid by McAfee or Norton to put a trial version on the boxes, which when expires usually results in a vulnerable box. Sure they could put a free version, but then they wouldn't get paid. MS does directly sell computers, through their retail channel, with free antivirus pre-installed. AFAIK they're the only ones, but I wouldn't surprised if there is a small niche in the world of it. Why should they care? The reasons they should care are obvious. But they shouldn't have to care. I completely agree. It sucks. But I do think the visibility and sucktidiness of it is a lot lower than all of the other things that will suck when they unwittingly bring a ChromeBook home from the store.
- norova 16y ago
  You're missing the point. Your dollars aren't going toward performance, they're going toward ease-of-use, stability and reliability.
- ctdonath 16y ago
  At $20/month it's pretty much disposable. How much more "free" do you want? Apple has shown the "walled garden" works, despite anguished cries from geeks. People want a machine that just turns on (fast), just works, just does most of the things they want to do without any worries about installation/updates/debugging. Give them enough zero-headache capability and they'll adhere to it despite what lacks.
  - kenjackson 16y ago
    At $20/month it's pretty much disposable. How much more "free" do you want? In college I only bought ramen... on sale. I had a schedule for when all the clubs at the school had free dinners. I was mad when the taco stand increased their bean burrito price from 89 cents to 94 cents. In college, I'd consider it a fair deal if you paid me to use the computer, and I'd put a Google sticker on the back of it. Although it does seem like college kids are a lot richer nowadays.
    - ctdonath 16y ago
      It's less than a buck a day. Should be able to find 20 empty cans and recycle them daily, if not actually do something profitable with the device at the rate of $1/day.
      - kenjackson 16y ago
        I can feed a starving child in Africa for that. That's kind of messed up that you'd rather rent the Chromebook than help starving kids in Africa. What happened to "Don't be evil"?
        ctdonath 16y ago
        So rather than arguing with me, why don't you sell the computer you're reading this on and send the money to a kid in Africa?
        16y ago
griftah 16y ago
There are much better devices for consuming content.

by cryptoz 16y ago

kenjackson 16y ago

Let me be clear. I'd love this device for free. Or like I said, even $100 I could see it being a fair price. But when you price at the same price of a netbook that performs really well (the new ASUS Eee Pcs are pretty darn impressive beasts for a $289 machine), with all of its limitations, it just doesn't make sense. This needs to be more like a Kindle. A device you get even if you already have a laptop and an iPad. The price needs to be way lower.

cryptoz 16y ago
sigh Look, it's not about the hardware. What software is that $289 machine going to run? Windows? Right, so you'll be removing viruses for years after people continue to watch seedy porn sites? Sounds like fun. This device is intriguing and useful because of the software; it stays out of your way and keeps you safe. That's worth the price to nearly everyone who isn't a nerd.
- mestudent 16y ago
  The only reason that machine runs Windows is because people think they want Windows, it is rather ingrained at this point in time. I could see some people using this and being okay but I see tons of others wondering where their microsoft office is, and to be honest a boat load of other problems from the people who malware is already a problem. (I can even see people asking where the internet is or how to get to facebook or google while looking at a chrome browser window). These chromebooks sadly will only satisfy a niche market and this market probably would be served just as well with a similarly specked netbook running linux
- kenjackson 16y ago
  I guess our experiences are just fundamentally different. With the plethora of free good antivirus programs that you can download, I find viruses are largely a thing of the past. In the old days you had to pay $50/year for virus protection. And you had to go to a brick and mortar store or order it from Amazon. Cost and effort made it less common for end users to have antivirus. Now, I install it on every box I maintain. I don't even ask them (as before, I'd have to ask, do you want to pay $50/year and many friends would say "no thanks"). I just don't get malware/virus calls anymore. For the most part I don't get many calls at all anymore. The ones I do are generally usability questions like how do I get my pictures properly downloaded and tagged. Or what's the password to my password manager again (yes, I keep a collection to other people's password managers in my password manager, because I've gotten this call often enough) :-)
  - ctdonath 16y ago
    "With the plethora of free good antivirus programs that you can download" That's the key: most users don't download and install things, don't know where to find what they want/need, and if they do they screw it up. They don't have free IT (i.e.: you) to do it for them. They want it like TV: turn it on, pick from a limited set of options, and just use it.
  - cryptoz 16y ago
    Still, you're saying that when a user buys a computer, it is their responsibility to go searching on the web for a free, reputable and safe anti-virus company to download software from? Why? Why should they care? Why is it still necessary to do that? Can't someone build a computer where you turn it on and it works safely the first time? That's what Google just did. Some people want that. Badly. Edit: Surely you'll see this problem with your scenario. You, Ken Jackson, must use the computer before your friend/family does, in order to make it safe. That's pretty messed up, no? This stuff should just work, no need to go find programs to download before your computer is working properly.
    - kenjackson 16y ago
      Still, you're saying that when a user buys a computer, it is their responsibility to go searching on the web for a free, reputable and safe anti-virus company to download software from? Yes it is. Why? Unfortunately due to antitrust concerns. I'm sure MS would love to bundle MS Security Essentials, but they fear doing so would likely end up in the courts. Can't someone build a computer where you turn it on and it works safely the first time? You can, although ironically its not in the best interest of most computer vendors. They get paid by McAfee or Norton to put a trial version on the boxes, which when expires usually results in a vulnerable box. Sure they could put a free version, but then they wouldn't get paid. MS does directly sell computers, through their retail channel, with free antivirus pre-installed. AFAIK they're the only ones, but I wouldn't surprised if there is a small niche in the world of it. Why should they care? The reasons they should care are obvious. But they shouldn't have to care. I completely agree. It sucks. But I do think the visibility and sucktidiness of it is a lot lower than all of the other things that will suck when they unwittingly bring a ChromeBook home from the store.
norova 16y ago
You're missing the point. Your dollars aren't going toward performance, they're going toward ease-of-use, stability and reliability.
ctdonath 16y ago
At $20/month it's pretty much disposable. How much more "free" do you want? Apple has shown the "walled garden" works, despite anguished cries from geeks. People want a machine that just turns on (fast), just works, just does most of the things they want to do without any worries about installation/updates/debugging. Give them enough zero-headache capability and they'll adhere to it despite what lacks.
- kenjackson 16y ago
  At $20/month it's pretty much disposable. How much more "free" do you want? In college I only bought ramen... on sale. I had a schedule for when all the clubs at the school had free dinners. I was mad when the taco stand increased their bean burrito price from 89 cents to 94 cents. In college, I'd consider it a fair deal if you paid me to use the computer, and I'd put a Google sticker on the back of it. Although it does seem like college kids are a lot richer nowadays.
  - ctdonath 16y ago
    It's less than a buck a day. Should be able to find 20 empty cans and recycle them daily, if not actually do something profitable with the device at the rate of $1/day.
    - kenjackson 16y ago
      I can feed a starving child in Africa for that. That's kind of messed up that you'd rather rent the Chromebook than help starving kids in Africa. What happened to "Don't be evil"?
      - ctdonath 16y ago
        So rather than arguing with me, why don't you sell the computer you're reading this on and send the money to a kid in Africa?
        16y ago

griftah 16y ago

There are much better devices for consuming content.