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Yeah this floats around a lot in the bodybuilding/powerlifting/fitness community. The general rule is CICO works for everyone. Because it does. There are some

Yeah this floats around a lot in the bodybuilding/powerlifting/fitness community. The general rule is CICO works for everyone. Because it does. There are some "cheats" that you can do with macro profiles, especially with no or low carb diets (carnivore/keto), however these solutions rarely work long term, especially in athletic circles. For non-athletes it _might_ work a little longer term but if you look at those studies (with non-athletes) they are very short lived and typically on a very specific cohort. Hormonal levels adapt over time and the initial "gainz" you see are relatively short lived - this is most evident in the studies done on athletes. That and you have to stay on top of your bloodwork. In my personal experience it's about six months. I've tried keto, paleo, and carnivore for fairly long periods of time (paleo is much more forgiving long term for a variety of reasons). There are most certainly diminishing returns. Unfortunately, as I said, there's no long term studies here with large cohorts so it's all anecdotal.

bumby 6y ago
Curious if you've ever heard of any scenarios that could cause long-term hormonal changes? I'm thinking of a Peter Attia podcast where he (anecdotally) noticed that after women have their third child (or so), there's a marked change in their ability for their body to bounce back.
- brodouevencode 6y ago
  I don't know of any scenarios. That certainly doesn't mean that there isn't any, but I haven't seen any in studies or anecdotally that could be directly attributed to change in diet (which is what I'm assuming what you are referring to). Even as I've gotten older I've noticed my cut phases tend to have to run a little longer than they used to, and any bulking I do has to contain better quality food (no more Chik-fil-A binging :(), and I'm pretty sure that is directly related to hormonal changes (free testosterone) for men between the ages of 40-50. It's been a couple of years since I've done a round of no carb, I should give it another round.

bumby 6y ago

Curious if you've ever heard of any scenarios that could cause long-term hormonal changes? I'm thinking of a Peter Attia podcast where he (anecdotally) noticed that after women have their third child (or so), there's a marked change in their ability for their body to bounce back.

brodouevencode 6y ago
I don't know of any scenarios. That certainly doesn't mean that there isn't any, but I haven't seen any in studies or anecdotally that could be directly attributed to change in diet (which is what I'm assuming what you are referring to). Even as I've gotten older I've noticed my cut phases tend to have to run a little longer than they used to, and any bulking I do has to contain better quality food (no more Chik-fil-A binging :(), and I'm pretty sure that is directly related to hormonal changes (free testosterone) for men between the ages of 40-50. It's been a couple of years since I've done a round of no carb, I should give it another round.