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My past experience with this sort of thing from the other side of the fence makes me fully expect most of the people complaining the loudest about being banned

My past experience with this sort of thing from the other side of the fence makes me fully expect most of the people complaining the loudest about being banned for "no reason" were probably actually banned because they harassed someone or said something super racist.

Grimm1 6y ago
Sure, but they still paid for a physical product. If I actually own something in the truest sense of the word then a company shouldn't get to have any say over my continued use of the device, games etc regardless of what entirely abhorrent positions I might hold. That's the perks of being a private citizen. IMO we need strong regulation against this type of interference passed the sphere of the original transaction. Large COs are trying to make us all renters. Fuck that. While I'm pretty pro-corporate this is the ticket issue that grinds my gears.
erikpukinskis 6y ago
That’s likely. But is it your opinion that, e.g. Toyota is within its rights to brick your car if you post, e.g. Holocaust denial posts on their owners forums? That behavior is abhorrent, but this seems like a weird extrajudicial punishment vector. I’m all for private corps policing their network, but bricking your devices seems like a whole other thing.
- saddlerustle 6y ago
  The device isn't blocked, only the facebook account. They can still sell the device.
  - techlaw 6y ago
    But any money spent on apps for that device is lost. You cannot sell those apps. You cannot use those apps on competitor devices.
  - jedberg 6y ago
    No, that's the point. You can't use the Occulus if your Facebook account is banned.
corndoge 6y ago
Actually this is not true, you should familiarize yourself with this particular scenario. Reviewers and game developers have had their devices bricked for creating new accounts to use on them. This was especially bad during the election period as FB was pretty much banning all new accounts then.
- jetrink 6y ago
  It also included people who had deleted their account previously and created a new account solely in order to use the device.
nomel 6y ago
I've had my Facebook account for > 10 years, but use it sparingly. It was locked for "suspicious activity" the exact moment I linked my Oculus account to my Facebook account. It gave me two options to unlock it: link my Facebook account with a google account, or send in some pictures of a government ID for verification. I don't believe that the act of linking two, required, accounts on the first day the device was publicly available, before my first experience with VR, is somehow racist or objectionable.

Grimm1 6y ago

Sure, but they still paid for a physical product. If I actually own something in the truest sense of the word then a company shouldn't get to have any say over my continued use of the device, games etc regardless of what entirely abhorrent positions I might hold. That's the perks of being a private citizen. IMO we need strong regulation against this type of interference passed the sphere of the original transaction. Large COs are trying to make us all renters. Fuck that. While I'm pretty pro-corporate this is the ticket issue that grinds my gears.

erikpukinskis 6y ago

That’s likely. But is it your opinion that, e.g. Toyota is within its rights to brick your car if you post, e.g. Holocaust denial posts on their owners forums? That behavior is abhorrent, but this seems like a weird extrajudicial punishment vector. I’m all for private corps policing their network, but bricking your devices seems like a whole other thing.

saddlerustle 6y ago
The device isn't blocked, only the facebook account. They can still sell the device.
- techlaw 6y ago
  But any money spent on apps for that device is lost. You cannot sell those apps. You cannot use those apps on competitor devices.
- jedberg 6y ago
  No, that's the point. You can't use the Occulus if your Facebook account is banned.

corndoge 6y ago

Actually this is not true, you should familiarize yourself with this particular scenario. Reviewers and game developers have had their devices bricked for creating new accounts to use on them. This was especially bad during the election period as FB was pretty much banning all new accounts then.

jetrink 6y ago
It also included people who had deleted their account previously and created a new account solely in order to use the device.

nomel 6y ago

I've had my Facebook account for > 10 years, but use it sparingly. It was locked for "suspicious activity" the exact moment I linked my Oculus account to my Facebook account. It gave me two options to unlock it: link my Facebook account with a google account, or send in some pictures of a government ID for verification. I don't believe that the act of linking two, required, accounts on the first day the device was publicly available, before my first experience with VR, is somehow racist or objectionable.