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Anybody who believes anything that comes out of a PRC lapdog of a news agency is either naive or just stupid. Why would state media tell the truth? You're serio

Anybody who believes anything that comes out of a PRC lapdog of a news agency is either naive or just stupid. Why would state media tell the truth? You're seriously going to sit there and tell me a country of 1 billion + has effectively eradicated this virus but the rest of the world has not?

DiogenesKynikos 6y ago
State media isn't the only source of information about China. Many mllions of people converse across the border every day. There are many people on HN who regularly talk to people in China. The government does not have the level of control over the flow of information that many people outside think (or which the government itself would probably like). Even when the outbreak was detected in December, news got out online within hours. There was a panic about a few cases in Shanghai's international airport a few weeks ago, and videos of it were on Western social media within hours. Yes, China has effectively eradicated the virus. They're not the only country to have done so. New Zealand has, and Australia is close.
- MeinBlutIstBlau 6y ago
  They don't span the size of the United States in terms of population spaced out across the country. Also, while there is "free speech" to a degree, you do not have the freedom in China to criticize the government in the same way you do in the western world. So most non-state media won't say anything bad in regards to how the government has handled the situation for fear of reprisal.
  - DiogenesKynikos 6y ago
    I'm not talking about Chinese media - state or non-state. I'm talking about Chinese people who talk regularly with people outside of China. They can see what's going on with their own eyes. They can see that the hospitals aren't overflowing, that restaurants are open again, that nobody they know has gotten CoVID-19 in months, etc. They went through the experience of an outbreak, then a strict lockdown, then a reopening. There is also foreign media in China. This recent, very interesting documentary on Wuhan that you might understand (based on your username), produced by a German-French public broadcaster: https://youtu.be/LmsI7lc2_Vg https://youtu.be/LmsI7lc2_Vg.

DiogenesKynikos 6y ago

State media isn't the only source of information about China. Many mllions of people converse across the border every day. There are many people on HN who regularly talk to people in China. The government does not have the level of control over the flow of information that many people outside think (or which the government itself would probably like). Even when the outbreak was detected in December, news got out online within hours. There was a panic about a few cases in Shanghai's international airport a few weeks ago, and videos of it were on Western social media within hours. Yes, China has effectively eradicated the virus. They're not the only country to have done so. New Zealand has, and Australia is close.

MeinBlutIstBlau 6y ago
They don't span the size of the United States in terms of population spaced out across the country. Also, while there is "free speech" to a degree, you do not have the freedom in China to criticize the government in the same way you do in the western world. So most non-state media won't say anything bad in regards to how the government has handled the situation for fear of reprisal.
- DiogenesKynikos 6y ago
  I'm not talking about Chinese media - state or non-state. I'm talking about Chinese people who talk regularly with people outside of China. They can see what's going on with their own eyes. They can see that the hospitals aren't overflowing, that restaurants are open again, that nobody they know has gotten CoVID-19 in months, etc. They went through the experience of an outbreak, then a strict lockdown, then a reopening. There is also foreign media in China. This recent, very interesting documentary on Wuhan that you might understand (based on your username), produced by a German-French public broadcaster: https://youtu.be/LmsI7lc2_Vg https://youtu.be/LmsI7lc2_Vg.