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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavic_name_suffixes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavic_name_suffixes Hope that helps.

by h_spacer 6y ago

echelon 6y ago
I'm still going to use they/them because a name doesn't necessarily match with one's gender.
- h_spacer 6y ago
  Sorry to hear that you hold other cultures in such low regard.
  - echelon 6y ago
    Culture and gender aren't linked. Does culture tell you if someone's gender, sexual preferences, what kind of car they drive, whether or not they're a furry, what god(s) they do or do not believe in, etc.? Don't put people in boxes based on your limited world view. Think about the limit. When we're uploaded to the matrix, you'll finally be able to be whatever gender you want to be without fear for the stupid stigmas of this world. You can try lots of things. You can be a man, woman, multi-gender foxperson, or a stoic agender deity. Maybe lots of things. You'll be free. Let people be who they are. You be who you are. Just be happy.
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    - kepler1 6y ago
      What a hypocrite -- feel free to let people be who they are, as long as I can force you to call them a word I want.
      - Kye 6y ago
        You opened this thread by lecturing others on the pronouns they used for the article author with no standing to do so. Who are you and why are you more authoritative on the author's pronouns than the person you attempted to correct?
        HexagonalKitten 6y ago
        Do you not understand how claiming to support people's pronouns and then bravely using gender neutral pronouns for everyone who doesn't specify is a bit hyprocritical? Most people identify happily and it's as rude to misgender them as anyone. It's a form of unasked for activism (it's done by an "ally") and it ropes people like yourself who are presumably not 'on the acronym' into supporting craziness that, if you're honest with yourself, would make you hate people who espoused. Both casually as one hates warm beer and gray weekends, but also in the sense of being inspired to actually work against the general freer society we've been building for decades. Actual allies can help by not joining in on the trolling.
        Kye 6y ago
        I actually appreciate when people default to neutral when they otherwise don't know. They tend to use he/him if they don't, and that's incorrect. This unasked for anti-activism is very unhelpful. You are indistinguishable from people who refuse to use correct pronouns even when they know. You do not speak for me.
        HexagonalKitten 6y ago
        > This unasked for anti-activism is very unhelpful. Lol, yes. All activism around people's lives is unwanted and unhelpful. But you're targeting everyone with your activism and I'm only targeting those who run around and scold people in others' names. You're bothering 98%+ of the population, I'm bothering a few people here and there who can't just let other people be. > You are indistinguishable from people who refuse to use correct pronouns even when they know. The "correct pronoun" says the person dedicated to not using the correct pronouns of the majority. You may have a preference but, the game of attacking people over it just that - a game. > You do not speak for me. And you don't speak for anyone else either. But you try, and people saying what you do, are correcting, scolding, and attacking people for doing the default thing. And by the nature of it, you're doing it in the name of everyone who's TQ. You could say "It's just me, but I like X". But you don't, nor do any of the witch hunters. > I actually appreciate when people default to neutral when they otherwise don't know. You think using the "correct" pronouns are important and you want to show this by assuming everyone's pronouns? > They tend to use he/him if they don't, and that's incorrect. Lol, everyone gets a choice as long as they're you. He/him is literally correct, and far more likely to be right. If you have a second guess it should be She/her. Listen, I'm not telling you what you can't call yourself. I'm saying when you demand these things for everyone you're picking a fight for them. Most people don't want to spend their time and emotional energy on strange internet fights, they just want to live peacefully. You're dragging everyone into your silly tumblr stuff. Do you have any idea why everyone's stereotypical image of a trans person is someone screaming?
      - echelon 6y ago
        To be clear, I never forced you to do anything. You just got angry at me.
  - antonfire 6y ago
    If you think someone having a Slavic last name means their gender necessarily matches the gender suggested by the form of their name, you are just mistaken. I have a Slavic last name. I also have female relatives whose last name is, quite officially, the male-suffixed version of mine. I invite you to guess how that might have happened.
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  - dang 6y ago
    If you keep posting flamewar comments to HN we will have to ban you, so please don't do that. We're trying for something else here. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- baq 6y ago
  language 1 extracts gender to a separate word. language 2 embeds gender in the word itself. names are words. it's a lose-lose situation: native speakers of language 2 will look at what you wrote and cringe or just assume you're ignorant. they won't get the point you're trying to make, null, nada, 0% chance. source: i'm a native speaker of language 2.
  - StavrosK 6y ago
    Yep. "Greek is gendered, the gender is embedded into the words". Sure, but I can speak whole normal sentences without referring to gender at all, something like "went to the supermarket and bought x y z, then did a, b and c and came back". You can talk about someone at length without mentioning their gender once.
    - baq 6y ago
      This is absolutely true, but sooner or later you’ll have to pick a gender or you’ll just end up sounding funny at best.
      - StavrosK 6y ago
        Not really, that's just the way sentences are formed. The third person has no gender, the gender is only in the pronouns, which are optional. Adjectives will give it away, though.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavic_name_suffixes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavic_name_suffixes Hope that helps.

echelon 6y ago

I'm still going to use they/them because a name doesn't necessarily match with one's gender.

h_spacer 6y ago
Sorry to hear that you hold other cultures in such low regard.
- echelon 6y ago
  Culture and gender aren't linked. Does culture tell you if someone's gender, sexual preferences, what kind of car they drive, whether or not they're a furry, what god(s) they do or do not believe in, etc.? Don't put people in boxes based on your limited world view. Think about the limit. When we're uploaded to the matrix, you'll finally be able to be whatever gender you want to be without fear for the stupid stigmas of this world. You can try lots of things. You can be a man, woman, multi-gender foxperson, or a stoic agender deity. Maybe lots of things. You'll be free. Let people be who they are. You be who you are. Just be happy.
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  - kepler1 6y ago
    What a hypocrite -- feel free to let people be who they are, as long as I can force you to call them a word I want.
    - Kye 6y ago
      You opened this thread by lecturing others on the pronouns they used for the article author with no standing to do so. Who are you and why are you more authoritative on the author's pronouns than the person you attempted to correct?
      - HexagonalKitten 6y ago
        Do you not understand how claiming to support people's pronouns and then bravely using gender neutral pronouns for everyone who doesn't specify is a bit hyprocritical? Most people identify happily and it's as rude to misgender them as anyone. It's a form of unasked for activism (it's done by an "ally") and it ropes people like yourself who are presumably not 'on the acronym' into supporting craziness that, if you're honest with yourself, would make you hate people who espoused. Both casually as one hates warm beer and gray weekends, but also in the sense of being inspired to actually work against the general freer society we've been building for decades. Actual allies can help by not joining in on the trolling.
        Kye 6y ago
        I actually appreciate when people default to neutral when they otherwise don't know. They tend to use he/him if they don't, and that's incorrect. This unasked for anti-activism is very unhelpful. You are indistinguishable from people who refuse to use correct pronouns even when they know. You do not speak for me.
        HexagonalKitten 6y ago
        > This unasked for anti-activism is very unhelpful. Lol, yes. All activism around people's lives is unwanted and unhelpful. But you're targeting everyone with your activism and I'm only targeting those who run around and scold people in others' names. You're bothering 98%+ of the population, I'm bothering a few people here and there who can't just let other people be. > You are indistinguishable from people who refuse to use correct pronouns even when they know. The "correct pronoun" says the person dedicated to not using the correct pronouns of the majority. You may have a preference but, the game of attacking people over it just that - a game. > You do not speak for me. And you don't speak for anyone else either. But you try, and people saying what you do, are correcting, scolding, and attacking people for doing the default thing. And by the nature of it, you're doing it in the name of everyone who's TQ. You could say "It's just me, but I like X". But you don't, nor do any of the witch hunters. > I actually appreciate when people default to neutral when they otherwise don't know. You think using the "correct" pronouns are important and you want to show this by assuming everyone's pronouns? > They tend to use he/him if they don't, and that's incorrect. Lol, everyone gets a choice as long as they're you. He/him is literally correct, and far more likely to be right. If you have a second guess it should be She/her. Listen, I'm not telling you what you can't call yourself. I'm saying when you demand these things for everyone you're picking a fight for them. Most people don't want to spend their time and emotional energy on strange internet fights, they just want to live peacefully. You're dragging everyone into your silly tumblr stuff. Do you have any idea why everyone's stereotypical image of a trans person is someone screaming?
    - echelon 6y ago
      To be clear, I never forced you to do anything. You just got angry at me.
- antonfire 6y ago
  If you think someone having a Slavic last name means their gender necessarily matches the gender suggested by the form of their name, you are just mistaken. I have a Slavic last name. I also have female relatives whose last name is, quite officially, the male-suffixed version of mine. I invite you to guess how that might have happened.
- deleted 6y ago
  [deleted]
- dang 6y ago
  If you keep posting flamewar comments to HN we will have to ban you, so please don't do that. We're trying for something else here. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
baq 6y ago
language 1 extracts gender to a separate word. language 2 embeds gender in the word itself. names are words. it's a lose-lose situation: native speakers of language 2 will look at what you wrote and cringe or just assume you're ignorant. they won't get the point you're trying to make, null, nada, 0% chance. source: i'm a native speaker of language 2.
- StavrosK 6y ago
  Yep. "Greek is gendered, the gender is embedded into the words". Sure, but I can speak whole normal sentences without referring to gender at all, something like "went to the supermarket and bought x y z, then did a, b and c and came back". You can talk about someone at length without mentioning their gender once.
  - baq 6y ago
    This is absolutely true, but sooner or later you’ll have to pick a gender or you’ll just end up sounding funny at best.
    - StavrosK 6y ago
      Not really, that's just the way sentences are formed. The third person has no gender, the gender is only in the pronouns, which are optional. Adjectives will give it away, though.