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I only skimmed after the part about him having three side hustles and a podcast. Focusing on one thing instead of four is the key to success. Spreading yourse

by jf22 6y ago

I only skimmed after the part about him having three side hustles and a podcast. Focusing on one thing instead of four is the key to success. Spreading yourself too thin is going to lead to frustration and burnout.

dgb23 6y ago
I'm unable to do this apparently. Or not in a strict sense at least. Last year I had a bit of a crisis. I believed that I needed to become more focused on one particular area to facilitate long term professional success. I think I got this advice directly or indirectly from different people at different times. But I couldn't. I looked at specific areas to specialize in isolation. All of them are interesting, but I could feel almost physical pain from just thinking to narrow down my focus on any of those. Then I gave up, and what a relief that was. I realized that I'm not wired this way. I see the connections between the things. That's what draws my attention and endlessly motivates me. Tackle a new problem, refine my skill a bit here, bolster my knowledge a bit over there. Quoting Heinlein: Specialization is for insects. This resonates with me. Now I'm a programmer (full-stack web), teacher, consultant. Recently also started learning technical writing and working towards building an animal sanctuary. I see more and more connections between those things, which is satisfying and rewarding, often in unpredictable ways.
- mrmonkeyman 6y ago
  Your mind is chaotic and it shows in your writing. I would be hesitant to recommend that type of thinking, but you seem happy, which is honestly all that matters.
- mjhirn 6y ago
  I was thinking along those lines in the first half of my twenties. Now in the second half I feel lucky that I found a topic that I am going deep on and I am using that to go wide in some other connected areas. In hindsight there was some time where I had to actively force myself to stick with one topic longer than usual to go deep. Once that hurdle is taken I have less of a problem now integrating adjacent topics. I also agree with the advice that focusing on one topic improves professional success. Long-term is TBD though.
  - dgb23 6y ago
    My strategy is to chunk the topics I'm interested in. At least on a per day basis but usually longer, reading several books on a topic, experimenting and taking notes.
- jf22 6y ago
  Sure, but it's just factual that if you have x amount of hours to devote to projects during the week, the more projects, the less each project gets. Perhaps some build off each other, but I'm sure you understand every hour of technical writing you do takes away from building an animal sanctuary.
  - dgb23 6y ago
    To be able to fund it, is the minimum synergy.
  - dgb23 6y ago
    Also, I started to gather a reading list on technical writing not for completely new projects such as books or blogging. But rather to improve how I communicate to my clients and collaborators. In concrete terms I want to write better documentation and specifications for the projects I'm building (typically custom web apps for SMEs). Then there is also a synergy with my part-time teaching job. Writing better handouts, structuring assignments and so on.
swyx 6y ago
> Focusing on one thing instead of four is the key to success. citation heavily needed on this one.
- jf22 6y ago
  Really? Besides far fetched hypotheticals I can't think of a reason why somebody would say spreading yourself thin is the key to success.
  - swyx 6y ago
    there's a long literature of: - why even VCs diversify bets - why working on side things helps your main thing - how Nobel prizewinners are 3x more likely than the average scientist to have creative hobbies - https://hunterwalk.medium.com/why-a-paid-newsletter-wont-be-enough-money-for-most-writers-and-that-s-fine-the-multi-sku-f41daa074cdb https://hunterwalk.medium.com/why-a-paid-newsletter-wont-be-... and so on. i didnt say that having 4 things is spreading yourself thin. its just a really unscientific thing to assert without proof that having only 1 thing is "the key to success". so i push back on it.
scns 6y ago
Not so sure about this. The musicians involved were pretty sure that Tool had the least chances for success from all their projects, because they only did what they liked. Then they started selling millions of records.
- asdfman123 6y ago
  I'm not sure how that relates. In fact, I think it's inadvertently makes an important side point. When you're making music, you should make stuff you ACTUALLY like, instead of something some theoretical person would like. If you like it, at least a few other people will too. If you don't, there's no guarantees anyone will. It's awesome finding music that expresses something you only think you feel, or has some weird jokes that you find hilarious, or is made by some nerds who slip in a subtle pun or something. Meanwhile, no one needs "Hey, yeah, I'm feeling great, OK" song with no genuine feeling behind it. There's probably lessons you could apply to software engineering too, but I feel it's 1000% true about art.
  - zentiggr 6y ago
    I was going to comment about musicians recording elevator music, etc, but those are jobs, not personal projects. so not really under the labor of love heading.
    - asdfman123 6y ago
      Well, you don't get discovered by making elevator music. Instead, someone pays you to make bad music for a captive audience. Different pathway to "success." Software is slightly different because most software is more a tool than is art. However, this applies for software that IS art, for instance, video games. You should follow your creative muse when making a video game. Less important when you're making enterprise software.
- jf22 6y ago
  I think music is different. Each band has a different flavor and style. You need to have different projects and bands to get different styles. You are usually waiting around for other people too. Getting the drummer to show up for rehearsals is hard enough, let alone full album products. ;) This isn't the case with Saas apps or software.
bartread 6y ago
I think progress over perfection is a fine principle in many areas of life, but I also completely agree with your point about fous. I'm doing quite a lot of work on my house at the moment and, like most of us, I also have a job. In addition I have a side project that's started to earn a very small amount of money since the spring, but I've barely done any work on it in months because I just can't work on that, and work on the house at the same time. I am not wired to do things in bits and pieces, and for me trying to do so just leads to stress and burnout. If I'm to feel satisfaction about either of these projects I need to be able to make solid progress, which requires dedicated time. I'd rather push on with one and let the other sit unattended for a while, than be constantly switching. (Especially because focus is a luxury that my job only affords a limited amount of - this isn't a problem with the job at all; just the nature of it.)

by jf22 6y ago

dgb23 6y ago

I'm unable to do this apparently. Or not in a strict sense at least. Last year I had a bit of a crisis. I believed that I needed to become more focused on one particular area to facilitate long term professional success. I think I got this advice directly or indirectly from different people at different times. But I couldn't. I looked at specific areas to specialize in isolation. All of them are interesting, but I could feel almost physical pain from just thinking to narrow down my focus on any of those. Then I gave up, and what a relief that was. I realized that I'm not wired this way. I see the connections between the things. That's what draws my attention and endlessly motivates me. Tackle a new problem, refine my skill a bit here, bolster my knowledge a bit over there. Quoting Heinlein: Specialization is for insects. This resonates with me. Now I'm a programmer (full-stack web), teacher, consultant. Recently also started learning technical writing and working towards building an animal sanctuary. I see more and more connections between those things, which is satisfying and rewarding, often in unpredictable ways.

mrmonkeyman 6y ago
Your mind is chaotic and it shows in your writing. I would be hesitant to recommend that type of thinking, but you seem happy, which is honestly all that matters.
mjhirn 6y ago
I was thinking along those lines in the first half of my twenties. Now in the second half I feel lucky that I found a topic that I am going deep on and I am using that to go wide in some other connected areas. In hindsight there was some time where I had to actively force myself to stick with one topic longer than usual to go deep. Once that hurdle is taken I have less of a problem now integrating adjacent topics. I also agree with the advice that focusing on one topic improves professional success. Long-term is TBD though.
- dgb23 6y ago
  My strategy is to chunk the topics I'm interested in. At least on a per day basis but usually longer, reading several books on a topic, experimenting and taking notes.
jf22 6y ago
Sure, but it's just factual that if you have x amount of hours to devote to projects during the week, the more projects, the less each project gets. Perhaps some build off each other, but I'm sure you understand every hour of technical writing you do takes away from building an animal sanctuary.
- dgb23 6y ago
  To be able to fund it, is the minimum synergy.
- dgb23 6y ago
  Also, I started to gather a reading list on technical writing not for completely new projects such as books or blogging. But rather to improve how I communicate to my clients and collaborators. In concrete terms I want to write better documentation and specifications for the projects I'm building (typically custom web apps for SMEs). Then there is also a synergy with my part-time teaching job. Writing better handouts, structuring assignments and so on.

swyx 6y ago

> Focusing on one thing instead of four is the key to success. citation heavily needed on this one.

jf22 6y ago
Really? Besides far fetched hypotheticals I can't think of a reason why somebody would say spreading yourself thin is the key to success.
- swyx 6y ago
  there's a long literature of: - why even VCs diversify bets - why working on side things helps your main thing - how Nobel prizewinners are 3x more likely than the average scientist to have creative hobbies - https://hunterwalk.medium.com/why-a-paid-newsletter-wont-be-enough-money-for-most-writers-and-that-s-fine-the-multi-sku-f41daa074cdb https://hunterwalk.medium.com/why-a-paid-newsletter-wont-be-... and so on. i didnt say that having 4 things is spreading yourself thin. its just a really unscientific thing to assert without proof that having only 1 thing is "the key to success". so i push back on it.

scns 6y ago

Not so sure about this. The musicians involved were pretty sure that Tool had the least chances for success from all their projects, because they only did what they liked. Then they started selling millions of records.

asdfman123 6y ago
I'm not sure how that relates. In fact, I think it's inadvertently makes an important side point. When you're making music, you should make stuff you ACTUALLY like, instead of something some theoretical person would like. If you like it, at least a few other people will too. If you don't, there's no guarantees anyone will. It's awesome finding music that expresses something you only think you feel, or has some weird jokes that you find hilarious, or is made by some nerds who slip in a subtle pun or something. Meanwhile, no one needs "Hey, yeah, I'm feeling great, OK" song with no genuine feeling behind it. There's probably lessons you could apply to software engineering too, but I feel it's 1000% true about art.
- zentiggr 6y ago
  I was going to comment about musicians recording elevator music, etc, but those are jobs, not personal projects. so not really under the labor of love heading.
  - asdfman123 6y ago
    Well, you don't get discovered by making elevator music. Instead, someone pays you to make bad music for a captive audience. Different pathway to "success." Software is slightly different because most software is more a tool than is art. However, this applies for software that IS art, for instance, video games. You should follow your creative muse when making a video game. Less important when you're making enterprise software.
jf22 6y ago
I think music is different. Each band has a different flavor and style. You need to have different projects and bands to get different styles. You are usually waiting around for other people too. Getting the drummer to show up for rehearsals is hard enough, let alone full album products. ;) This isn't the case with Saas apps or software.

bartread 6y ago

I think progress over perfection is a fine principle in many areas of life, but I also completely agree with your point about fous. I'm doing quite a lot of work on my house at the moment and, like most of us, I also have a job. In addition I have a side project that's started to earn a very small amount of money since the spring, but I've barely done any work on it in months because I just can't work on that, and work on the house at the same time. I am not wired to do things in bits and pieces, and for me trying to do so just leads to stress and burnout. If I'm to feel satisfaction about either of these projects I need to be able to make solid progress, which requires dedicated time. I'd rather push on with one and let the other sit unattended for a while, than be constantly switching. (Especially because focus is a luxury that my job only affords a limited amount of - this isn't a problem with the job at all; just the nature of it.)