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He provided defence for Jeffrey Epstein at his trial for being a pedophile rapist pimp, and then remained friends with him after he was convicted of that. Ther

He provided defence for Jeffrey Epstein at his trial for being a pedophile rapist pimp, and then remained friends with him after he was convicted of that. There are many more points than that that could be made, but it does not seem necessary.

coldtea 6y ago
If they are similar this point, yes, they're not necessary, as they are totally irrelevant to the longbet in discussion, or to Pinker's work in general. If Einstein was a serial killer on the side, relativity would still be a great theory...
- user-the-name 6y ago
  There are millions of people who can provide at least as much insight as Pinker can ever manage. Let's listen to them instead of the creep who hangs out with rapist pimps.
  - coldtea 6y ago
    >There are millions of people who can provide at least as much insight as Pinker can ever manage That takes for granted what it should instead prove. Pinker, regardless of who he fraternizes with or what moral causes he supports or not, is an acknowledged scientist. >Let's listen to them instead of the creep who hangs out with rapist pimps. Who people hang with is irrelevant. We don't and shouldn't change who we listen to on technical/scientific/etc matters based on their personal morality (even less so based on someone's idea about that). We change who we listen to on those matters based on the quality of their arguments and domain knowledge. In any case, we should not bring moralizing and posturing into discussions and into who we listen to, except if the morals in question are related to the subject matter. E.g. I would be suspect to economic arguments from an economist who has been found to take money from states to push some agenda. But I wouldn't be suspect to economic arguments from someones who enjoys killing kittens. I just wouldn't take environmental / pet advice from that person...
    - user-the-name 6y ago
      Being an "acknowledged scientist" is something that, by one estimate I can find, about 7.8 million people can claim.
      - coldtea 6y ago
        That's because you confuse it with mere scientist. acknowledged: recognized as being good or important. "he's an acknowledged expert in the field"

coldtea 6y ago

If they are similar this point, yes, they're not necessary, as they are totally irrelevant to the longbet in discussion, or to Pinker's work in general. If Einstein was a serial killer on the side, relativity would still be a great theory...

user-the-name 6y ago
There are millions of people who can provide at least as much insight as Pinker can ever manage. Let's listen to them instead of the creep who hangs out with rapist pimps.
- coldtea 6y ago
  >There are millions of people who can provide at least as much insight as Pinker can ever manage That takes for granted what it should instead prove. Pinker, regardless of who he fraternizes with or what moral causes he supports or not, is an acknowledged scientist. >Let's listen to them instead of the creep who hangs out with rapist pimps. Who people hang with is irrelevant. We don't and shouldn't change who we listen to on technical/scientific/etc matters based on their personal morality (even less so based on someone's idea about that). We change who we listen to on those matters based on the quality of their arguments and domain knowledge. In any case, we should not bring moralizing and posturing into discussions and into who we listen to, except if the morals in question are related to the subject matter. E.g. I would be suspect to economic arguments from an economist who has been found to take money from states to push some agenda. But I wouldn't be suspect to economic arguments from someones who enjoys killing kittens. I just wouldn't take environmental / pet advice from that person...
  - user-the-name 6y ago
    Being an "acknowledged scientist" is something that, by one estimate I can find, about 7.8 million people can claim.
    - coldtea 6y ago
      That's because you confuse it with mere scientist. acknowledged: recognized as being good or important. "he's an acknowledged expert in the field"