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> I really doubt that you actually have too much experience, and I'm 100% sure you have less experience than some actual MAPS psychs that administer this and do

> I really doubt that you actually have too much experience, and I'm 100% sure you have less experience than some actual MAPS psychs that administer this and do tell their patients that supplements are as effective as placebo I’m sorry to say that you’ve ignored the evidence I’ve already put forward and your “biases” are that I’m wrong and you’re right based on your feelings. Give me a source where MAPS scientists are saying supplements are as effective as placebo - you’ve just invented that. I will give you one point - I believe that in a controlled environment that after effects of pure MDMA will not be as burdensome as someone dancing for 12 hours straight, and in fact are less about the MDMA itself and more about the other actions. I’ll still posit that neurotoxicity is a potential thing and therefore supplementation is advisable based on the studies I linked above. Given however that are continuously stuck on the idea that I’m talking about “depression” and still use that word - I don’t even think you’re reading what I’m saying. Frankly, buzz off.

pvarangot 6y ago
Just call them and ask them if you are insterested. As I said multiple times there's no studies about supplements on human patients, as the numbers are already tight for studies were only MDMA is administered and setting up a week long followup trial with supplements and placebo is impossible with their current resources. I read your studies and as other three other comments here say I don't really understand how they say supplements are necessary. They are old, on very simplified models that are no longer used in modern psychiatric or neuroscience research, and about brain chemistry effects on rats and not psychological effects on humans. There are a lot of studies with MDMA on humans now, and they point in a different direction. The type of research you are pointing to is what was used as an excuse among the scientific community for making it illegal in the first place. Also I don't dispute it's neurotoxic, as most data points say it is. I'm just saying that the supplementation doesn't really help with that. Yeah they help with neurogenesis and so does meditation, eating healthy, learning a musical instrument, sleeping well, getting sunlight, etc... That doesn't mean it will "cancel out" or help with MDMA neurotoxicity particularly. You are spreading new age pseudo-religious unverified magic cures for MDMA side-effects only that it's in the form of capsules instead of lifestyle changes. That's not bad, but it's what you are doing.

pvarangot 6y ago

Just call them and ask them if you are insterested. As I said multiple times there's no studies about supplements on human patients, as the numbers are already tight for studies were only MDMA is administered and setting up a week long followup trial with supplements and placebo is impossible with their current resources. I read your studies and as other three other comments here say I don't really understand how they say supplements are necessary. They are old, on very simplified models that are no longer used in modern psychiatric or neuroscience research, and about brain chemistry effects on rats and not psychological effects on humans. There are a lot of studies with MDMA on humans now, and they point in a different direction. The type of research you are pointing to is what was used as an excuse among the scientific community for making it illegal in the first place. Also I don't dispute it's neurotoxic, as most data points say it is. I'm just saying that the supplementation doesn't really help with that. Yeah they help with neurogenesis and so does meditation, eating healthy, learning a musical instrument, sleeping well, getting sunlight, etc... That doesn't mean it will "cancel out" or help with MDMA neurotoxicity particularly. You are spreading new age pseudo-religious unverified magic cures for MDMA side-effects only that it's in the form of capsules instead of lifestyle changes. That's not bad, but it's what you are doing.