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>> It seems to me that the proportion of those that were first unconvinced That population is every person ever born - no one was born believing in Anti-semiti

>> It seems to me that the proportion of those that were first unconvinced That population is every person ever born - no one was born believing in Anti-semitism or Nazism. >> and then read such material Wait - we're not just limited to first order effects, someone who reads may relay those ideas to another in a different form. E.g. by starting a social gathering of some sort. >> and become convinced by it is negligibly small The Nazi party membership reached over 8 million people. >> There is very few news that is not fake Poor wording on my part, i meant specifically Islamic terrorist propaganda not fake news more generally.

Blikkentrekker 6y ago
>That population is every person ever born - no one was born believing in Anti-semitism or Nazism. No one is born tob believe in anything, however one typically has opinions on matters by the time that one is capable of reading. >Wait - we're not just limited to first order effects, someone who reads may relay those ideas to another in a different form. E.g. by starting a social gathering of some sort. And even there I feel the reading of material in print is negligible as a proximate cause to inspire that. >The Nazi party membership reached over 8 million people. And most had never read Mein Kampf. They were members because their friends were — most Christians have of course also never read a Bible from cover to cover.
- CraigJPerry 6y ago
  >> And even there I feel the reading of material in print is negligible But the written bible needs to exist or the religion will fade out, correct? No one is able to adopt the practices of the Minoan religion. The Minoan religion is dead since their people have gone and they didn't write much, if anything, down and no one can accurately choose to adopt their beliefs. >> most Christians have of course also never read a Bible Why differentiate between them reading and them being read to by a pastor for example? What's the difference? Christian churches often choose to host bible classes, why would they promote use of scripture to further indoctrination if it's not effective? Why would they read to the congregation from the bible?
  - Blikkentrekker 6y ago
    > But the written bible needs to exist or the religion will fade out, correct? By name perhaps, the same ideas will always live on under a different name. > No one is able to adopt the practices of the Minoan religion. The Minoan religion is dead since their people have gone and they didn't write much, if anything, down and no one can accurately choose to adopt their beliefs. The practices have lived on under a different name. > Why differentiate between them reading and them being read to by a pastor for example? What's the difference? A pastor has also never read the entire Bible to them from cover to cover; most haven't the faintest idea of what is in there. > Christian churches often choose to host bible classes, why would they promote use of scripture to further indoctrination if it's not effective? Why would they read to the congregation from the bible? You will find that they tend to omit the passages that are considered controversial, and that would lead to the Bible's potential banning.
    - CraigJPerry 6y ago
      >> By name perhaps, the same ideas will always live on under a different name. No they don’t. My point was we don’t actually know what the minoans believed. If it’s not written down it’s doomed. >> The practices have lived on under a different name They haven’t. That was the whole point. We don’t really know what practices they followed. >> from cover to cover Why does a written work have to be read from cover to cover in order to convey an idea? If essential use was made of the written work even in part, your assertion that written works are not important is nullified.
      - Blikkentrekker 6y ago
        >No they don’t. My point was we don’t actually know what the minoans believed. If it’s not written down it’s doomed. If you don't know what they believed, then how would you know whether it lived on under a different name, or not?
  - jjk166 6y ago
    > But the written bible needs to exist or the religion will fade out, correct? No one is able to adopt the practices of the Minoan religion. The Minoan religion is dead since their people have gone and they didn't write much, if anything, down and no one can accurately choose to adopt their beliefs. Despite the extinction of their civilization and our inability to translate their language, we do know quite a bit about minoan religion through the study of artifacts and the accounts of their neighbors. Contemporaneously the Homeric epics were carried on in oral tradition for hundreds of years before the greeks wrote them down. And yet despite ready access to greek mythology you would be hard pressed to find anyone alive today who believes it to be true. The absence of a text does not eliminate the idea it conveys, nor does conveying an idea lead automatically to its adoption.

Blikkentrekker 6y ago

>That population is every person ever born - no one was born believing in Anti-semitism or Nazism. No one is born tob believe in anything, however one typically has opinions on matters by the time that one is capable of reading. >Wait - we're not just limited to first order effects, someone who reads may relay those ideas to another in a different form. E.g. by starting a social gathering of some sort. And even there I feel the reading of material in print is negligible as a proximate cause to inspire that. >The Nazi party membership reached over 8 million people. And most had never read Mein Kampf. They were members because their friends were — most Christians have of course also never read a Bible from cover to cover.

CraigJPerry 6y ago
>> And even there I feel the reading of material in print is negligible But the written bible needs to exist or the religion will fade out, correct? No one is able to adopt the practices of the Minoan religion. The Minoan religion is dead since their people have gone and they didn't write much, if anything, down and no one can accurately choose to adopt their beliefs. >> most Christians have of course also never read a Bible Why differentiate between them reading and them being read to by a pastor for example? What's the difference? Christian churches often choose to host bible classes, why would they promote use of scripture to further indoctrination if it's not effective? Why would they read to the congregation from the bible?
- Blikkentrekker 6y ago
  > But the written bible needs to exist or the religion will fade out, correct? By name perhaps, the same ideas will always live on under a different name. > No one is able to adopt the practices of the Minoan religion. The Minoan religion is dead since their people have gone and they didn't write much, if anything, down and no one can accurately choose to adopt their beliefs. The practices have lived on under a different name. > Why differentiate between them reading and them being read to by a pastor for example? What's the difference? A pastor has also never read the entire Bible to them from cover to cover; most haven't the faintest idea of what is in there. > Christian churches often choose to host bible classes, why would they promote use of scripture to further indoctrination if it's not effective? Why would they read to the congregation from the bible? You will find that they tend to omit the passages that are considered controversial, and that would lead to the Bible's potential banning.
  - CraigJPerry 6y ago
    >> By name perhaps, the same ideas will always live on under a different name. No they don’t. My point was we don’t actually know what the minoans believed. If it’s not written down it’s doomed. >> The practices have lived on under a different name They haven’t. That was the whole point. We don’t really know what practices they followed. >> from cover to cover Why does a written work have to be read from cover to cover in order to convey an idea? If essential use was made of the written work even in part, your assertion that written works are not important is nullified.
    - Blikkentrekker 6y ago
      >No they don’t. My point was we don’t actually know what the minoans believed. If it’s not written down it’s doomed. If you don't know what they believed, then how would you know whether it lived on under a different name, or not?
- jjk166 6y ago
  > But the written bible needs to exist or the religion will fade out, correct? No one is able to adopt the practices of the Minoan religion. The Minoan religion is dead since their people have gone and they didn't write much, if anything, down and no one can accurately choose to adopt their beliefs. Despite the extinction of their civilization and our inability to translate their language, we do know quite a bit about minoan religion through the study of artifacts and the accounts of their neighbors. Contemporaneously the Homeric epics were carried on in oral tradition for hundreds of years before the greeks wrote them down. And yet despite ready access to greek mythology you would be hard pressed to find anyone alive today who believes it to be true. The absence of a text does not eliminate the idea it conveys, nor does conveying an idea lead automatically to its adoption.