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This thread is an interesting read. A lot of nitpicking about the data to support various restrictions, complaints about freedom, and arguments about costs to b

by kjakm 6y ago

This thread is an interesting read. A lot of nitpicking about the data to support various restrictions, complaints about freedom, and arguments about costs to business. These arguments happen everywhere of course but ITT they significantly outnumber any arguments in favour of restrictions. I wonder if that’s representative of the US as a whole and explains why COVID has been particularly bad there?

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logicchains 6y ago
>I wonder if that’s representative of the US as a whole and explains why COVID has been particularly bad there? This is just misinformation. USA isn't even in the top 10 for deaths per capita (it's eleventh): https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104709/coronavirus-deaths-worldwide-per-million-inhabitants/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104709/coronavirus-deat... . And the countries ahead of it all hard harsher lockdown measures than most of the US.
- DiogenesKynikos 6y ago
  #11 out of about 200 countries. What differentiates the US from the major countries in the top 10 is that the US has done very little to prevent spread of the virus in the past weeks, meaning that going forward, things will be far worse in the US. Compare the graphs of the major countries (i.e., not San Marino, Andorra, North Macedonia and other small countries) in the top 10, and then the US: 1. Belgium: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/belgium/#graph-cases-daily https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/belgium/#g... 4. Italy: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/italy/#graph-cases-daily https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/italy/#gra... 6. Spain: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/spain/#graph-cases-daily https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/spain/#gra... 10. UK: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk/#graph-cases-daily https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk/#graph-... 11. USA: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/#graph-cases-daily https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/#graph-... In contrast to Belgium, Italy, Spain and the UK, the US is letting the virus spread largely unchecked, and there has been massive resistance to even the most basic measures to control the spread. Finally, it's worth noting that individual US states have been worse hit than individual European countries listed above. New Jersey and Belgium have similar populations, but New Jersey has had more deaths/capita. As the number of new cases continues to fall in Belgium and rise in New Jersey, that difference will widen.
  - aweiland 6y ago
    State comparisons like this seem much more useful. Considering the US FedGov has been mostly, and now completely, MIA on tackling the virus. It's been left to the states to haphazardly implement their own protocols.
TomSwirly 6y ago
Yes, the issue is widespread mental health issues in America. Neither this apathy in the face of a mortal threat nor the delusional and mendacious outgoing President are an anomaly; they reflect the degraded state of the American psyche. I don't see it improving.

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logicchains 6y ago

>I wonder if that’s representative of the US as a whole and explains why COVID has been particularly bad there? This is just misinformation. USA isn't even in the top 10 for deaths per capita (it's eleventh): https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104709/coronavirus-deaths-worldwide-per-million-inhabitants/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104709/coronavirus-deat... . And the countries ahead of it all hard harsher lockdown measures than most of the US.

DiogenesKynikos 6y ago
#11 out of about 200 countries. What differentiates the US from the major countries in the top 10 is that the US has done very little to prevent spread of the virus in the past weeks, meaning that going forward, things will be far worse in the US. Compare the graphs of the major countries (i.e., not San Marino, Andorra, North Macedonia and other small countries) in the top 10, and then the US: 1. Belgium: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/belgium/#graph-cases-daily https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/belgium/#g... 4. Italy: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/italy/#graph-cases-daily https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/italy/#gra... 6. Spain: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/spain/#graph-cases-daily https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/spain/#gra... 10. UK: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk/#graph-cases-daily https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk/#graph-... 11. USA: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/#graph-cases-daily https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/#graph-... In contrast to Belgium, Italy, Spain and the UK, the US is letting the virus spread largely unchecked, and there has been massive resistance to even the most basic measures to control the spread. Finally, it's worth noting that individual US states have been worse hit than individual European countries listed above. New Jersey and Belgium have similar populations, but New Jersey has had more deaths/capita. As the number of new cases continues to fall in Belgium and rise in New Jersey, that difference will widen.
- aweiland 6y ago
  State comparisons like this seem much more useful. Considering the US FedGov has been mostly, and now completely, MIA on tackling the virus. It's been left to the states to haphazardly implement their own protocols.

TomSwirly 6y ago

Yes, the issue is widespread mental health issues in America. Neither this apathy in the face of a mortal threat nor the delusional and mendacious outgoing President are an anomaly; they reflect the degraded state of the American psyche. I don't see it improving.