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It doesn’t look all that shaky to me. After being fired in May she allegedly connected back into an account that’s part of the emergency alert system to send a

by zaroth 6y ago

It doesn’t look all that shaky to me. After being fired in May she allegedly connected back into an account that’s part of the emergency alert system to send an alert message to 1,700 members of an emergency response team urging them to “speak up before another 17,000 people are dead. You know this is wrong. You don’t have to be a part of this. Be a hero. Speak out before it’s too late.” Jones has raised over $500k so far since she was fired and went public claiming the state was manipulating data. $200k of that in the last 48 hours.

devwastaken 6y ago
I fail to see how even if they sent that email how it would justify the warrant and police response. I don't see too many other instances of this happening, probably because the general sane thing to do would be to remove that person from having access to that account. I'm not seeing anything that seizure of electronic equipment would further remedy that issue.
- zaroth 6y ago
  People get served with warrants all the time during criminal investigations. When you refuse to come out of the house when the police repeatedly demand it, that tends to escalate the situation. A fired employee accesses a government system to mass email the emergency response team, the first thing that’s going to happen is a warrant for your electronic devices to image them and investigate. This is in no way surprising. I think we are hearing about it because Jones is using this as a fund raising strategy.
  - 14 6y ago
    People who refuse to follow police authority do not need escalation they need de-escalation. Police should not be escalating things beyond what is necessary and should be the ones acting professionally and not freaking out when people don’t do what they ask. When I worked in dementia care we constantly had to manage people who were not listening and doing inappropriate things. Hint; we did not get out the paddle. So just because someone is not listening does not mean you need to escalate and bring guns to a situation that had none. The escalation should have been “if you don’t come out we will break down your door and take you out” that’s it. You people who justify guns for every situation where someone doesn’t follow very minor law is absurd. Resisting arrest though against the law happens countless times across the country and the police are not supposed to draw guns if they don’t need to. They could use a taser first for example. Protesters climb trees or barricade them selves to prove a cause. They resist arrest. The last protesters I saw around here the RCMP just said ok screw it let’s just block the roads going in and when they get hungry they will come out. It didn’t last long before they were starved out. So I don’t buy your argument that because she didn’t listen this had to escalate. Not to the point of guns in her face.
    - zaroth 6y ago
      What I was trying to say is that locking yourself in the house and refusing to come out is an escalation. Not that police should escalate. In any case, they've now posted the body cam videos. I don't see any evidence of police "freaking out". You can see from the video, there was never a gun in her face. IMO they demonstrated patience (trying to get her to open the door for over 20 minutes) and seem very professional. https://vimeo.com/489556079 https://vimeo.com/489554493 > The body camera video starts at 8:25 a.m., when a female Tallahassee Police Department officer and male FDLE agent approach the door. At 8:26, they began ringing the doorbell and knocking on the door. During the initial approach, agents tried to minimize disruption to the children, attempting to speak with Ms. Jones at the door to explain the search warrant. At approximately 8:31, agents went to the back of the house and saw Ms. Jones’ husband going upstairs. The situation continued for 23 minutes without cooperation of Ms. Jones, including several phone calls to her. > Upon entry into Ms. Jones’ residence (8:48am), agents observed a video camera, pointed in the direction of the front door, which appeared to be recording the entire time the agents were inside the residence. The video, property of Ms. Jones, was not seized during the search warrant. Electronic devices belonging to Ms. Jones’ children and husband were forensically examined on scene and determined to have no investigative value. Those devices were not seized in an effort to minimize disruption to the family. https://www.fdle.state.fl.us/News/2020/December/FDLE-releases-full-body-camera-footage-from-Rebeka https://www.fdle.state.fl.us/News/2020/December/FDLE-release...

by zaroth 6y ago

devwastaken 6y ago

I fail to see how even if they sent that email how it would justify the warrant and police response. I don't see too many other instances of this happening, probably because the general sane thing to do would be to remove that person from having access to that account. I'm not seeing anything that seizure of electronic equipment would further remedy that issue.

zaroth 6y ago
People get served with warrants all the time during criminal investigations. When you refuse to come out of the house when the police repeatedly demand it, that tends to escalate the situation. A fired employee accesses a government system to mass email the emergency response team, the first thing that’s going to happen is a warrant for your electronic devices to image them and investigate. This is in no way surprising. I think we are hearing about it because Jones is using this as a fund raising strategy.
- 14 6y ago
  People who refuse to follow police authority do not need escalation they need de-escalation. Police should not be escalating things beyond what is necessary and should be the ones acting professionally and not freaking out when people don’t do what they ask. When I worked in dementia care we constantly had to manage people who were not listening and doing inappropriate things. Hint; we did not get out the paddle. So just because someone is not listening does not mean you need to escalate and bring guns to a situation that had none. The escalation should have been “if you don’t come out we will break down your door and take you out” that’s it. You people who justify guns for every situation where someone doesn’t follow very minor law is absurd. Resisting arrest though against the law happens countless times across the country and the police are not supposed to draw guns if they don’t need to. They could use a taser first for example. Protesters climb trees or barricade them selves to prove a cause. They resist arrest. The last protesters I saw around here the RCMP just said ok screw it let’s just block the roads going in and when they get hungry they will come out. It didn’t last long before they were starved out. So I don’t buy your argument that because she didn’t listen this had to escalate. Not to the point of guns in her face.
  - zaroth 6y ago
    What I was trying to say is that locking yourself in the house and refusing to come out is an escalation. Not that police should escalate. In any case, they've now posted the body cam videos. I don't see any evidence of police "freaking out". You can see from the video, there was never a gun in her face. IMO they demonstrated patience (trying to get her to open the door for over 20 minutes) and seem very professional. https://vimeo.com/489556079 https://vimeo.com/489554493 > The body camera video starts at 8:25 a.m., when a female Tallahassee Police Department officer and male FDLE agent approach the door. At 8:26, they began ringing the doorbell and knocking on the door. During the initial approach, agents tried to minimize disruption to the children, attempting to speak with Ms. Jones at the door to explain the search warrant. At approximately 8:31, agents went to the back of the house and saw Ms. Jones’ husband going upstairs. The situation continued for 23 minutes without cooperation of Ms. Jones, including several phone calls to her. > Upon entry into Ms. Jones’ residence (8:48am), agents observed a video camera, pointed in the direction of the front door, which appeared to be recording the entire time the agents were inside the residence. The video, property of Ms. Jones, was not seized during the search warrant. Electronic devices belonging to Ms. Jones’ children and husband were forensically examined on scene and determined to have no investigative value. Those devices were not seized in an effort to minimize disruption to the family. https://www.fdle.state.fl.us/News/2020/December/FDLE-releases-full-body-camera-footage-from-Rebeka https://www.fdle.state.fl.us/News/2020/December/FDLE-release...