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The worry (at least for me, and one which I suspect the parent comment shares at least in part) is that in creating these "non-hallucinogenic" paths, the govern

by LocalH 6y ago

The worry (at least for me, and one which I suspect the parent comment shares at least in part) is that in creating these "non-hallucinogenic" paths, the government will choose to direct therapy down that path exclusively, and potentially close off the research into the unmodified psychedelic compounds.

elevenoh 6y ago
This is my concern as well. One could strongly argue that government & quite a few special interest would prefer the research was directed toward 'non-hallucinogenic' research paths. Why? Psychedelic 'hallucinations' aka altered perception have lasting effects on your outlook on reality, and it typically orients folks a little more toward to truth (e.g. concluding "maybe my life of empty materialism & status chasing isn't as deeply satisfying as I've come to believe." or "maybe I don't need daily zoloft if I change my values & life."). Aside: Non-hallucinogenic psych analogous could be useful for folks with schizophrenia or panic.
- pmoriarty 6y ago
  "Non-hallucinogenic psych analogous could be useful for folks with schizophrenia or panic." There was some early research which reported success in using LSD and psilocybin to treat schizophrenia in children: https://maps.org/news-letters/v07n3/07318fis.html https://maps.org/news-letters/v07n3/07318fis.html
  - elevenoh 6y ago
    wild. Aside: I've seen cannabis contribute to schizo onset.
eyelidlessness 6y ago
The worry for me is the opposite. I don’t want to experience hallucinations but I want to treat my mental illness. One thing is your imagination, the other is my reality.
- Analog78 6y ago
  Possibly your imagination and their reality are more related than you think. Many many psychedelic experiences don't really involve hallucinations as one might understand them from popular culture/discourse, and this I believe is the original commenters concern, that people like yourself who might very find lasting and very real relief from their mental health issues by a 'wow, that orange is really really orange, everything seems to be pulsing with a hidden energy it's easy to miss in modern life, gee I never noticed how many veins a leaf had before' type experience, and yet they don't because perhaps somehow this word 'hallucinate' with all it's scary connotations of loss of control and terrible visions has put them off. Sure if you eat a couple hundred micrograms of lsd your gonna see some wild shit when you close your eyes, yet never taking the time to experience a glass of wine with friends simply because you've read somewhere that alcohol causes people to strip naked and steal cars is far from scientific. Not to say that alcohol is for everyone, simply that many many people are able to benefit from it's relaxing and social aspects without ever consuming enough to experience it's depressive violent aspect.

by LocalH 6y ago

elevenoh 6y ago

This is my concern as well. One could strongly argue that government & quite a few special interest would prefer the research was directed toward 'non-hallucinogenic' research paths. Why? Psychedelic 'hallucinations' aka altered perception have lasting effects on your outlook on reality, and it typically orients folks a little more toward to truth (e.g. concluding "maybe my life of empty materialism & status chasing isn't as deeply satisfying as I've come to believe." or "maybe I don't need daily zoloft if I change my values & life."). Aside: Non-hallucinogenic psych analogous could be useful for folks with schizophrenia or panic.

pmoriarty 6y ago
"Non-hallucinogenic psych analogous could be useful for folks with schizophrenia or panic." There was some early research which reported success in using LSD and psilocybin to treat schizophrenia in children: https://maps.org/news-letters/v07n3/07318fis.html https://maps.org/news-letters/v07n3/07318fis.html
- elevenoh 6y ago
  wild. Aside: I've seen cannabis contribute to schizo onset.

eyelidlessness 6y ago

The worry for me is the opposite. I don’t want to experience hallucinations but I want to treat my mental illness. One thing is your imagination, the other is my reality.

Analog78 6y ago
Possibly your imagination and their reality are more related than you think. Many many psychedelic experiences don't really involve hallucinations as one might understand them from popular culture/discourse, and this I believe is the original commenters concern, that people like yourself who might very find lasting and very real relief from their mental health issues by a 'wow, that orange is really really orange, everything seems to be pulsing with a hidden energy it's easy to miss in modern life, gee I never noticed how many veins a leaf had before' type experience, and yet they don't because perhaps somehow this word 'hallucinate' with all it's scary connotations of loss of control and terrible visions has put them off. Sure if you eat a couple hundred micrograms of lsd your gonna see some wild shit when you close your eyes, yet never taking the time to experience a glass of wine with friends simply because you've read somewhere that alcohol causes people to strip naked and steal cars is far from scientific. Not to say that alcohol is for everyone, simply that many many people are able to benefit from it's relaxing and social aspects without ever consuming enough to experience it's depressive violent aspect.