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Is there a right wing bias to HN? She didn't resign. She wanted to have a discussion on her difference with the company and would agree to a date of resignatio

Is there a right wing bias to HN? She didn't resign. She wanted to have a discussion on her difference with the company and would agree to a date of resignation that would give her working colleagues time to adjust or takeover her responsibilities or whatever if they couldn't agree. When a company arbitrarily sets the date of "resignation" without informing the party involved that is a dismissal. What are the exact reasons Google stated for her dismissal?

monoideism 6y ago
> she wanted to have a discussion on her difference with the company and would agree to a date of resignation that would give her working colleagues time to adjust or takeover her responsibilities or whatever if they couldn't agree. Unless one is an absolute moron at corporate politics, they'd realize that's a de facto resignation.
kepler1 6y ago
When you have a disagreement with your manager, do you broadcast it all over the company intranet with ultimatums attached? Some people are smart, but not wise.
worker767424 6y ago
HN has definitely been less sympathetic to her (or apologizing for Google) than most media outlets, but I don't see how that stance is necessarily "right wing." > What are the exact reasons Google stated for her dismissal? She sent and email saying she'd resign. > and would agree to a date of resignation that would give her working colleagues time to adjust or takeover her responsibilities or whatever if they couldn't agree. She sent an inappropriately critical email to too wide of an audience. This isn't someone you give another two weeks of email access to. I'll grant you that it's not 100% clear it's a "resignation," but in a way, it doesn't matter; neither she nor Google wanted to continue their relationship. Complain about Google all you want when you leave, but don't send an email threatening to resign and act surprised when you don't have a job any more.
- vfclists 6y ago
  Did she "threaten to resign"? "Threatening to resign" implies that you believe you are so critical to the company that the company will suffer in your absence. There is nothing in the email to suggest that. Disagreeing with company policy doesn't mean that she was not a diligent worker doing the tasks she had been assigned to in good faith. So far Google hasn't stated the thing she did exactly that led her to being fired, ie the actionable thing she did that would have to be produced if she took it to a tribunal or to court?
  - worker767424 6y ago
    > Did she "threaten to resign"? Yes. Her words, emphasis added, but probably not the exact words in the email she sent: > I said here are the conditions. If you can meet them great I’ll take my name off this paper, if not then I can work on a last date. Then she sent an email to my direct reports saying she has accepted my resignation. So that is google for you folks. You saw it happen right here. https://twitter.com/timnitgebru/status/1334343577044979712?lang=en https://twitter.com/timnitgebru/status/1334343577044979712?l...
thinkingemote 6y ago
A US court of law will find it hard to agree that she was fired. In the UK and probably the EU there is a type of illegal firing where the employee is effectively forced to resign. Often due to toxicity, bullying etc. If anything this has more weight in this case but I'm not sure it works in the US Constructive dismissal (could it be called I can't recall)

monoideism 6y ago

> she wanted to have a discussion on her difference with the company and would agree to a date of resignation that would give her working colleagues time to adjust or takeover her responsibilities or whatever if they couldn't agree. Unless one is an absolute moron at corporate politics, they'd realize that's a de facto resignation.

kepler1 6y ago

When you have a disagreement with your manager, do you broadcast it all over the company intranet with ultimatums attached? Some people are smart, but not wise.

worker767424 6y ago

HN has definitely been less sympathetic to her (or apologizing for Google) than most media outlets, but I don't see how that stance is necessarily "right wing." > What are the exact reasons Google stated for her dismissal? She sent and email saying she'd resign. > and would agree to a date of resignation that would give her working colleagues time to adjust or takeover her responsibilities or whatever if they couldn't agree. She sent an inappropriately critical email to too wide of an audience. This isn't someone you give another two weeks of email access to. I'll grant you that it's not 100% clear it's a "resignation," but in a way, it doesn't matter; neither she nor Google wanted to continue their relationship. Complain about Google all you want when you leave, but don't send an email threatening to resign and act surprised when you don't have a job any more.

vfclists 6y ago
Did she "threaten to resign"? "Threatening to resign" implies that you believe you are so critical to the company that the company will suffer in your absence. There is nothing in the email to suggest that. Disagreeing with company policy doesn't mean that she was not a diligent worker doing the tasks she had been assigned to in good faith. So far Google hasn't stated the thing she did exactly that led her to being fired, ie the actionable thing she did that would have to be produced if she took it to a tribunal or to court?
- worker767424 6y ago
  > Did she "threaten to resign"? Yes. Her words, emphasis added, but probably not the exact words in the email she sent: > I said here are the conditions. If you can meet them great I’ll take my name off this paper, if not then I can work on a last date. Then she sent an email to my direct reports saying she has accepted my resignation. So that is google for you folks. You saw it happen right here. https://twitter.com/timnitgebru/status/1334343577044979712?lang=en https://twitter.com/timnitgebru/status/1334343577044979712?l...

thinkingemote 6y ago

A US court of law will find it hard to agree that she was fired. In the UK and probably the EU there is a type of illegal firing where the employee is effectively forced to resign. Often due to toxicity, bullying etc. If anything this has more weight in this case but I'm not sure it works in the US Constructive dismissal (could it be called I can't recall)