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Did we just get older or did it really degrade that much? Same for WSJ in early 2000s and arguably slightly Economist now.

ashtonkem 6y ago
The issue with the WSJ is the editorial board and the obvious mutual contempt between them and the news side. It’s not uncommon for the editorial board to run whackadoodle stuff that ends up being ripped to pieces by the news staff. NYT in my eyes appears to be of quite low quality, but I don’t have enough history with them to figure out if this is a new trend or not.
- panarky 6y ago
  Do you have some links to what you consider to be high quality journalism?
  - ashtonkem 6y ago
    Alas, no. I typically cross compare against multiple publications, along with the knowledge of what the short-comings and biases of each source might be.
  - monoideism 6y ago
    Here's a pretty good one from NBC news: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EYjG4uequWQ https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EYjG4uequWQ Just facts, no unnecessary ideology or opinions. Lets the viewer decide. Now, this isn't always the case with NBC News, but it often is. Most of 60 Minutes is another example of high quality journalism.
  - raziel2701 6y ago
    This focuses on finance and economics so maybe not what you're looking for: https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/ https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/
monoideism 6y ago
It really degraded that much. It's always been of the left, but used to be fairly even handed and not as openly ideological. I know what happened - if you've followed what's happening in our universities the past decade, that mostly explains it (see cases like Weinstein at Evergreen, and Christakis at Yale). Those students have graduated and are influencing the newsroom at NYT and elsewhere.
- thinkingemote 6y ago
  I put the spotlight on Twitter, it's a source of the news, contains reaction to the news, and it's populated by the same culture as the journalists. So it's a quick and easy way to write stories to a guaranteed audience. Of course the decline of print newspapers and online advertising etc is at root.
  - monoideism 6y ago
    I agree Twitter has had an outsized impact, and amplifies all these issues. But the root cause is an identity/race-centered ideology that has taken root in our "elite" universities.

ashtonkem 6y ago

The issue with the WSJ is the editorial board and the obvious mutual contempt between them and the news side. It’s not uncommon for the editorial board to run whackadoodle stuff that ends up being ripped to pieces by the news staff. NYT in my eyes appears to be of quite low quality, but I don’t have enough history with them to figure out if this is a new trend or not.

panarky 6y ago
Do you have some links to what you consider to be high quality journalism?
- ashtonkem 6y ago
  Alas, no. I typically cross compare against multiple publications, along with the knowledge of what the short-comings and biases of each source might be.
- monoideism 6y ago
  Here's a pretty good one from NBC news: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EYjG4uequWQ https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EYjG4uequWQ Just facts, no unnecessary ideology or opinions. Lets the viewer decide. Now, this isn't always the case with NBC News, but it often is. Most of 60 Minutes is another example of high quality journalism.
- raziel2701 6y ago
  This focuses on finance and economics so maybe not what you're looking for: https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/ https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/

monoideism 6y ago

It really degraded that much. It's always been of the left, but used to be fairly even handed and not as openly ideological. I know what happened - if you've followed what's happening in our universities the past decade, that mostly explains it (see cases like Weinstein at Evergreen, and Christakis at Yale). Those students have graduated and are influencing the newsroom at NYT and elsewhere.

thinkingemote 6y ago
I put the spotlight on Twitter, it's a source of the news, contains reaction to the news, and it's populated by the same culture as the journalists. So it's a quick and easy way to write stories to a guaranteed audience. Of course the decline of print newspapers and online advertising etc is at root.
- monoideism 6y ago
  I agree Twitter has had an outsized impact, and amplifies all these issues. But the root cause is an identity/race-centered ideology that has taken root in our "elite" universities.