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> Pichai said, “We need to accept responsibility for the fact that a prominent Black, female leader with immense talent left Google unhappily.” The best way to

> Pichai said, “We need to accept responsibility for the fact that a prominent Black, female leader with immense talent left Google unhappily.” The best way to accept responsibility would be to start with accepting that she didn't leave, but was pushed out. No matter how many times people say "you can't expect to act like she did and keep her job", it doesn't change the fact that a lot of company rules have selective enforcement, and HR will always find a way to be in the right when they push you out for being a nuissance to the company.

idclip 6y ago
Not sure why ppl are downvoting you. Its as if they don't experience with on the job bullying.
0xy 6y ago
I would immediately seek to fire any employee who gave me an unreasonable set of demands with a resignation threat attached to them. If you can't negotiate calmly in business, you simply won't last long. If you come to the negotiating table with a bazooka then it's a bad look that reflects bad on you.
- ashtonkem 6y ago
  Right, but that would be a firing; you even said so. Google wants to have it both ways, to be rid of her and pretend that she quit.
  - 0xy 6y ago
    She offered to resign if explosive conditions weren't met, and Google said we accept your resignation. I was speaking generally. If you offer to resign, you must be willing to walk away immediately. Imagine negotiating with a used car salesman, exclaiming "I'll walk away right now if you don't sell me this car for $X", they call your bluff and then you refuse to walk away. You've lost. You cannot make threats and expect no repercussions, I don't know why that is even suggested.
    - ashtonkem 6y ago
      > If you offer to resign, you must be willing to walk away immediately. Of course. But Google has to call that bluff first. They short circuited the process of actually refusing her demands and asking for that resignation letter. If instead they found the ultimatum so offensive that they deemed her worth firing, they should say that. Pretending that she quit without declining her ultimatum and demanding her resignation reeks of bad office politics and bad crisis management. > You cannot make threats and expect no repercussions, I don't know why that is even suggested I’m not sure why you’re implying that I suggested that. I did not.
      - 0xy 6y ago
        Accepting the resignation explicitly declines the ultimatum. Again, negotiating with a bazooka is a bad move. It's a highly emotions-driven action from someone who's more angry and upset than they are determined to enact change. The most effective negotiation involves zero explosive ultimatums. >If instead they found the ultimatum so offensive that they deemed her worth firing, they should say that Saying anything opens them up to lawsuits and social media smearing (especially from this individual, who was already in a habit of slandering her colleagues on Twitter).
        worker767424 6y ago
        > especially from this individual And that's why you take away their corporate email access immediately.
        ashtonkem 6y ago
        That should be SOP everywhere under every circumstance. When I quit my prior job on good terms my email was immediately disabled and someone politely kept an eye on me to make sure I actually exited the security doors after my exit interview. And that was with a voluntary exit without acrimony. Google’s management and HR work here seems incredibly sloppy, especially for handling such a high pressure firing.
        6y ago

idclip 6y ago

Not sure why ppl are downvoting you. Its as if they don't experience with on the job bullying.

0xy 6y ago

I would immediately seek to fire any employee who gave me an unreasonable set of demands with a resignation threat attached to them. If you can't negotiate calmly in business, you simply won't last long. If you come to the negotiating table with a bazooka then it's a bad look that reflects bad on you.

ashtonkem 6y ago
Right, but that would be a firing; you even said so. Google wants to have it both ways, to be rid of her and pretend that she quit.
- 0xy 6y ago
  She offered to resign if explosive conditions weren't met, and Google said we accept your resignation. I was speaking generally. If you offer to resign, you must be willing to walk away immediately. Imagine negotiating with a used car salesman, exclaiming "I'll walk away right now if you don't sell me this car for $X", they call your bluff and then you refuse to walk away. You've lost. You cannot make threats and expect no repercussions, I don't know why that is even suggested.
  - ashtonkem 6y ago
    > If you offer to resign, you must be willing to walk away immediately. Of course. But Google has to call that bluff first. They short circuited the process of actually refusing her demands and asking for that resignation letter. If instead they found the ultimatum so offensive that they deemed her worth firing, they should say that. Pretending that she quit without declining her ultimatum and demanding her resignation reeks of bad office politics and bad crisis management. > You cannot make threats and expect no repercussions, I don't know why that is even suggested I’m not sure why you’re implying that I suggested that. I did not.
    - 0xy 6y ago
      Accepting the resignation explicitly declines the ultimatum. Again, negotiating with a bazooka is a bad move. It's a highly emotions-driven action from someone who's more angry and upset than they are determined to enact change. The most effective negotiation involves zero explosive ultimatums. >If instead they found the ultimatum so offensive that they deemed her worth firing, they should say that Saying anything opens them up to lawsuits and social media smearing (especially from this individual, who was already in a habit of slandering her colleagues on Twitter).
      - worker767424 6y ago
        > especially from this individual And that's why you take away their corporate email access immediately.
        ashtonkem 6y ago
        That should be SOP everywhere under every circumstance. When I quit my prior job on good terms my email was immediately disabled and someone politely kept an eye on me to make sure I actually exited the security doors after my exit interview. And that was with a voluntary exit without acrimony. Google’s management and HR work here seems incredibly sloppy, especially for handling such a high pressure firing.
      - 6y ago