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https://twitter.com/XenoKovah/status/1336054258140139521 https://twitter.com/XenoKovah/status/1336054258140139521 The founder of OST(OpenSecurityTraining) rece

https://twitter.com/XenoKovah/status/1336054258140139521 https://twitter.com/XenoKovah/status/1336054258140139521 The founder of OST(OpenSecurityTraining) recently tweet that he's going to work full time on OST.

jacobwilliamroy 6y ago
Cool. He says he's going to do it full time for 10+ years so... Who's funding him? Where is he getting his money supply?
- deleted 6y ago
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- enjoyyourlife 6y ago
  Companies pay him to give in person classes and create customized training material
  - jacobwilliamroy 6y ago
    Which ones? Is he funded for the next ten years? Did he take out a loan for 10+ years of expenses?
    - deleted 6y ago
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    - lilSebastian 6y ago
      Wouldn't it make sense to ask him rather than post these questions here?
      - jacobwilliamroy 6y ago
        I don't use twitter
        lilSebastian 6y ago
        There's an info@ email address listed on the website
- White_Wolf 6y ago
  Isn't that a bit too private to ask from a random person to a random person? Even if he would ask for donations to keep it going, disclosing other revenue streams is a bit much to ask for someone not involved in the project.
  - jacobwilliamroy 6y ago
    I'm only curious. I don't actually care if I ever find out. Never hurts to ask.
- tertius 6y ago
  Trying to understand revenue of a business (i.e. what this guy is doing) is a cornerstone of HN. I'm surprised by the blowback your're getting. Maybe it's your tone. Maybe start with: "I've always wondered how the economics of this work, how would he survive? How can someone replicate this model?"
  - jacobwilliamroy 6y ago
    They're getting suspicious, I guess. Here's what I know about funding these sorts of activities: Greenpeace started out selling shirts and buttons and things which had a pretty quick turnaround. Then they began signing up middle and upper class people to donate $10+/mo regularly. At present greenpeace has at least a million such monthly donors of $10/mo or more. As the years wore on and they became famous, wealthy people began willing their estates to Greenpeace. It was all driven by their media and communications machine: iconic images of men and women in orange jumpsuits riding zodiacs into a hail of soviet whaler bullets and harpoons just to protect endangered whales. Of course this was pre-internet so their media was distributed by mail and telex. Greenpeace has probably spent millions on postage alone by now. I feel comfortable sharing this knowledge because just knowing this is not enough to actually make a difference in the grand scheme of things. Even if OST gets funded, without a good lawyer this Xeno Kovah person could easily have it all stolen out from under his nose in an instant. Or the other members of his organization could turn on him and purge him. Or his board could just choose to ignore his vision and completely change the direction and shape of OST. More money, more problems. All the money in the world won't make a difference if you don't have any skills managing such a large sum. And it's hard to find mentorship for such things because usually, consistently, your mentor will decide that you are dead weight and THE MENTOR should be in charge of the whole enterprise, not you. It takes much more than just money to succeed. So I feel completely comfortable discussing fundraising techniques.
    - tertius 6y ago
      Ah, so those who responded to you were correct in their assessment? Be honest about it before you start asking questions to trap the person you're asking. It goes a long way.
- OpenSecTraining 6y ago
  https://twitter.com/XenoKovah/status/1336325340524789763 https://twitter.com/XenoKovah/status/1336325340524789763
fsociety 6y ago
Amazing! Xeno if you are reading this, would happily contribute a small amount of cash monthly for this :)

jacobwilliamroy 6y ago

Cool. He says he's going to do it full time for 10+ years so... Who's funding him? Where is he getting his money supply?

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enjoyyourlife 6y ago
Companies pay him to give in person classes and create customized training material
- jacobwilliamroy 6y ago
  Which ones? Is he funded for the next ten years? Did he take out a loan for 10+ years of expenses?
  - deleted 6y ago
    [deleted]
  - lilSebastian 6y ago
    Wouldn't it make sense to ask him rather than post these questions here?
    - jacobwilliamroy 6y ago
      I don't use twitter
      - lilSebastian 6y ago
        There's an info@ email address listed on the website
White_Wolf 6y ago
Isn't that a bit too private to ask from a random person to a random person? Even if he would ask for donations to keep it going, disclosing other revenue streams is a bit much to ask for someone not involved in the project.
- jacobwilliamroy 6y ago
  I'm only curious. I don't actually care if I ever find out. Never hurts to ask.
tertius 6y ago
Trying to understand revenue of a business (i.e. what this guy is doing) is a cornerstone of HN. I'm surprised by the blowback your're getting. Maybe it's your tone. Maybe start with: "I've always wondered how the economics of this work, how would he survive? How can someone replicate this model?"
- jacobwilliamroy 6y ago
  They're getting suspicious, I guess. Here's what I know about funding these sorts of activities: Greenpeace started out selling shirts and buttons and things which had a pretty quick turnaround. Then they began signing up middle and upper class people to donate $10+/mo regularly. At present greenpeace has at least a million such monthly donors of $10/mo or more. As the years wore on and they became famous, wealthy people began willing their estates to Greenpeace. It was all driven by their media and communications machine: iconic images of men and women in orange jumpsuits riding zodiacs into a hail of soviet whaler bullets and harpoons just to protect endangered whales. Of course this was pre-internet so their media was distributed by mail and telex. Greenpeace has probably spent millions on postage alone by now. I feel comfortable sharing this knowledge because just knowing this is not enough to actually make a difference in the grand scheme of things. Even if OST gets funded, without a good lawyer this Xeno Kovah person could easily have it all stolen out from under his nose in an instant. Or the other members of his organization could turn on him and purge him. Or his board could just choose to ignore his vision and completely change the direction and shape of OST. More money, more problems. All the money in the world won't make a difference if you don't have any skills managing such a large sum. And it's hard to find mentorship for such things because usually, consistently, your mentor will decide that you are dead weight and THE MENTOR should be in charge of the whole enterprise, not you. It takes much more than just money to succeed. So I feel completely comfortable discussing fundraising techniques.
  - tertius 6y ago
    Ah, so those who responded to you were correct in their assessment? Be honest about it before you start asking questions to trap the person you're asking. It goes a long way.
OpenSecTraining 6y ago
https://twitter.com/XenoKovah/status/1336325340524789763 https://twitter.com/XenoKovah/status/1336325340524789763

fsociety 6y ago

Amazing! Xeno if you are reading this, would happily contribute a small amount of cash monthly for this :)