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>Why even bother? Because many people have been fooled by misinformation on large social websites, and it gives them a bad name, which is not in the companies'

>Why even bother? Because many people have been fooled by misinformation on large social websites, and it gives them a bad name, which is not in the companies' best interest. I don't really see this as a nanny state action, either. YouTube is not part of the state. From a libertarian point of view, shouldn't they have the right to censor what they want on their own platform? Yes, politicians are urging YouTube to take down the videos, but the key word there is "urging". They have no way to force them to take them down.

AnthonyMouse 6y ago
> They have no way to force them to take them down. https://gizmodo.com/democrats-propose-section-230-changes-say-facebook-alg-1845426762 https://gizmodo.com/democrats-propose-section-230-changes-sa... "Better do what we want, we're introducing legislation that will mess you up" is a pretty direct threat.
- hshshs2 6y ago
  so, lobbying?
- lukas099 6y ago
  Hm. That bill's goal seems to be to stop tech companies from using algorithms that lead to amplification of extremist viewpoints. That is not the same as censorship.
  - AnthonyMouse 6y ago
    The censorship is in threatening to pass a law the companies wouldn't like if they don't do what the legislators demand. It isn't any less a threat than a fine for not doing what the legislators demand; it's a threat of punishment for non-compliance. (There are also several other bills of a similar nature, that was only one example.)
    - Guvante 6y ago
      "If you do what we want we won't force you to" is as old as legislation. They aren't saying do X or we will pass legislation about Y. They are saying do X or we will pass legislation forcing you to do X. The "widespread voter fraud" story is exactly the kind of extremist rhetoric that they are talking about writing legislation against spreading.
      - AnthonyMouse 6y ago
        Except that X and Y can't be exactly the same thing when X is content-based censorship of political speech, because then a law requiring X would be unconstitutional. So they threaten a Y which is not quite the same but still nothing they want, in order to make them do X anyway.

AnthonyMouse 6y ago

> They have no way to force them to take them down. https://gizmodo.com/democrats-propose-section-230-changes-say-facebook-alg-1845426762 https://gizmodo.com/democrats-propose-section-230-changes-sa... "Better do what we want, we're introducing legislation that will mess you up" is a pretty direct threat.

hshshs2 6y ago
so, lobbying?
lukas099 6y ago
Hm. That bill's goal seems to be to stop tech companies from using algorithms that lead to amplification of extremist viewpoints. That is not the same as censorship.
- AnthonyMouse 6y ago
  The censorship is in threatening to pass a law the companies wouldn't like if they don't do what the legislators demand. It isn't any less a threat than a fine for not doing what the legislators demand; it's a threat of punishment for non-compliance. (There are also several other bills of a similar nature, that was only one example.)
  - Guvante 6y ago
    "If you do what we want we won't force you to" is as old as legislation. They aren't saying do X or we will pass legislation about Y. They are saying do X or we will pass legislation forcing you to do X. The "widespread voter fraud" story is exactly the kind of extremist rhetoric that they are talking about writing legislation against spreading.
    - AnthonyMouse 6y ago
      Except that X and Y can't be exactly the same thing when X is content-based censorship of political speech, because then a law requiring X would be unconstitutional. So they threaten a Y which is not quite the same but still nothing they want, in order to make them do X anyway.