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So if I understand your response to everyone in California in this thread: "Yes, but there are also bad things, and thus everything positive can be contemptuous

So if I understand your response to everyone in California in this thread: "Yes, but there are also bad things, and thus everything positive can be contemptuously dismissed."

manigandham 6y ago
You misunderstood then. The very first sentence in my first post: CA has gotten worse in every metric. Of course positives exist, but they are few and decreasing. Unsurprisingly, nobody has yet to answer my repeated question to name 10 things that have gotten better over the last 10 years.
- phobosanomaly 6y ago
  1. The Gold Line got extended out to Azusa. 2. Craft beer has continued to get better and better in San Diego. 3. The Black Mountain bouldering area has been more highly developed. 4. Shoshone got internet. 5. Grand Central Market got refurbished. 6. Angel's Flight is open again. 7. Modern Times got Black House on nitro (ok, so this belongs in 2, but it's just so good it deserves its own point.) 8. They re-did the 10 between Redlands and Cabazon. 9. The San Diego light rail got extended out to UCSD. 10. Pho came to 29 Palms (although the loss of Palm Kebab is deeply mourned). 11. Here's an extra one just for fun, Mira Mesa got an 85 Degrees. Hello sea salt coffee. 12. Oh, here's another one. They fixed the toll road between Rosarito and Ensenada where it got wiped out by a landslide, so it took like 40 minutes off the drive. 13. Wait, here's another one. They opened the CBX cross-border express in Otay, so you can fly cheap and direct from San Diego to Mexico City by just walking directly across the border into the Tijuana airport. 14. Oh, and the Sand to Snow National Monument got established. 15. California got three brand new medical schools as well. 16. Oh, and now you can fly in a P51 Mustang at the Palm Springs air museum (They have a C47 as well that is so cool. The sound of radial aircraft engines makes my knees weak. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mbc5OCU0s00 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mbc5OCU0s00 ...Just do it. Why haven't you done it yet? Hurry up and do it. My god...just listen to those engines https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlpmHBgHBCg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlpmHBgHBCg) 17. Marijuana also got recreationally legalized in the state. 18. Bodie remains the same, which in the grand scheme of things I consider a net positive. 19. The Broad opened in Downtown Los Angeles. 20. Oh gosh, I guess I'll round it out. The cops stopped hassling people over doing the Carrizo Canyon hike (to the largest wooden railroad trestle in the world) in Anza Borrego from Carrizo Gorge Road (the coolest route) along the railroad tracks. (If you do it, do yourself a favor and round the day off with a visit to the Arroyo Tapiado mud caves) Cool California stuff from a Californian who spends their time doing cool California stuff instead of sitting around getting bummed out about statistics. Elon can have fun in Texas, no hard feelings.
  - chipotle_coyote 6y ago
    This makes me want to check out Southern California more again once it's more feasible. I'm up in Silicon Valley, and... would say some things have gotten better in 10 years. The craft beer explosion has definitely hit here, too, and even more so around Sacramento. A terrific new tiki bar opened in Oakland (The Kon-Tiki) and multiple terrific new tiki bars opened in San Francisco (Pagan Idol, Last Rites, Zombie Village; Smuggler's Cove opened in 2009, so not technically within 10 years, but they're considered one of the best bars -- not just tiki bars -- in the world). As much as San Franciscans like to dump on San Jose, I think downtown San Jose has actually gotten pretty cool in a lot of respects, and that's entirely in the last decade. There's a fair number of other smaller towns scattered around the Bay Area which are seeing some silver linings of gentrification. I could probably come up with a more detailed list, but despite some very real downsides, particularly economic -- real estate prices really are out of control (and there is no One Single Cause to point to, despite a lot of folks trying); homelessness has become a genuine epidemic -- it's still a great place to be, and it's hard for me to think of another place in America where I'd genuinely rather be. (This is distinct from "another place I'd still like.")
    - phobosanomaly 6y ago
      I guess every place is jam-packed with cool stuff if you're the kind of person who actively goes out and hunts for cool stuff. I could go on-and-on about So-Cal, but I guess the die-hard Nor-Cal folks could do the same. I know I've blown a fair number of weekends at Morro Bay, the Monterey Bay aquarium, and wandering around The Mission. Haven't gotten around to San Jose yet. Maybe after this whole thing blows over. My buddy keeps trying to get me to go up for the Cherry Blossom festival. I hadn't heard that tiki bars were a thing! That's pretty cool. Talk about a blast from the past. With regards to real estate prices, that is one thing where I can really, really understand people's complaints. Even down in So-Cal you can see desert cabins on the market for $300k. I figured a bubble would burst at some point, but it hasn't so far. Maybe with more WFH folks who don't really want to be here can go somewhere that they can get more bang for their buck in terms of property, and the die-hard California folks can catch a break on real estate prices. Cheers though! Good to hear from someone who isn't so down on California. It really is a cool place, and it's easy to take it for granted until you've spent some time in the Midwest.

So if I understand your response to everyone in California in this thread: "Yes, but there are also bad things, and thus everything positive can be contemptuously dismissed."

manigandham 6y ago

You misunderstood then. The very first sentence in my first post: CA has gotten worse in every metric. Of course positives exist, but they are few and decreasing. Unsurprisingly, nobody has yet to answer my repeated question to name 10 things that have gotten better over the last 10 years.

phobosanomaly 6y ago
1. The Gold Line got extended out to Azusa. 2. Craft beer has continued to get better and better in San Diego. 3. The Black Mountain bouldering area has been more highly developed. 4. Shoshone got internet. 5. Grand Central Market got refurbished. 6. Angel's Flight is open again. 7. Modern Times got Black House on nitro (ok, so this belongs in 2, but it's just so good it deserves its own point.) 8. They re-did the 10 between Redlands and Cabazon. 9. The San Diego light rail got extended out to UCSD. 10. Pho came to 29 Palms (although the loss of Palm Kebab is deeply mourned). 11. Here's an extra one just for fun, Mira Mesa got an 85 Degrees. Hello sea salt coffee. 12. Oh, here's another one. They fixed the toll road between Rosarito and Ensenada where it got wiped out by a landslide, so it took like 40 minutes off the drive. 13. Wait, here's another one. They opened the CBX cross-border express in Otay, so you can fly cheap and direct from San Diego to Mexico City by just walking directly across the border into the Tijuana airport. 14. Oh, and the Sand to Snow National Monument got established. 15. California got three brand new medical schools as well. 16. Oh, and now you can fly in a P51 Mustang at the Palm Springs air museum (They have a C47 as well that is so cool. The sound of radial aircraft engines makes my knees weak. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mbc5OCU0s00 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mbc5OCU0s00 ...Just do it. Why haven't you done it yet? Hurry up and do it. My god...just listen to those engines https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlpmHBgHBCg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlpmHBgHBCg) 17. Marijuana also got recreationally legalized in the state. 18. Bodie remains the same, which in the grand scheme of things I consider a net positive. 19. The Broad opened in Downtown Los Angeles. 20. Oh gosh, I guess I'll round it out. The cops stopped hassling people over doing the Carrizo Canyon hike (to the largest wooden railroad trestle in the world) in Anza Borrego from Carrizo Gorge Road (the coolest route) along the railroad tracks. (If you do it, do yourself a favor and round the day off with a visit to the Arroyo Tapiado mud caves) Cool California stuff from a Californian who spends their time doing cool California stuff instead of sitting around getting bummed out about statistics. Elon can have fun in Texas, no hard feelings.
- chipotle_coyote 6y ago
  This makes me want to check out Southern California more again once it's more feasible. I'm up in Silicon Valley, and... would say some things have gotten better in 10 years. The craft beer explosion has definitely hit here, too, and even more so around Sacramento. A terrific new tiki bar opened in Oakland (The Kon-Tiki) and multiple terrific new tiki bars opened in San Francisco (Pagan Idol, Last Rites, Zombie Village; Smuggler's Cove opened in 2009, so not technically within 10 years, but they're considered one of the best bars -- not just tiki bars -- in the world). As much as San Franciscans like to dump on San Jose, I think downtown San Jose has actually gotten pretty cool in a lot of respects, and that's entirely in the last decade. There's a fair number of other smaller towns scattered around the Bay Area which are seeing some silver linings of gentrification. I could probably come up with a more detailed list, but despite some very real downsides, particularly economic -- real estate prices really are out of control (and there is no One Single Cause to point to, despite a lot of folks trying); homelessness has become a genuine epidemic -- it's still a great place to be, and it's hard for me to think of another place in America where I'd genuinely rather be. (This is distinct from "another place I'd still like.")
  - phobosanomaly 6y ago
    I guess every place is jam-packed with cool stuff if you're the kind of person who actively goes out and hunts for cool stuff. I could go on-and-on about So-Cal, but I guess the die-hard Nor-Cal folks could do the same. I know I've blown a fair number of weekends at Morro Bay, the Monterey Bay aquarium, and wandering around The Mission. Haven't gotten around to San Jose yet. Maybe after this whole thing blows over. My buddy keeps trying to get me to go up for the Cherry Blossom festival. I hadn't heard that tiki bars were a thing! That's pretty cool. Talk about a blast from the past. With regards to real estate prices, that is one thing where I can really, really understand people's complaints. Even down in So-Cal you can see desert cabins on the market for $300k. I figured a bubble would burst at some point, but it hasn't so far. Maybe with more WFH folks who don't really want to be here can go somewhere that they can get more bang for their buck in terms of property, and the die-hard California folks can catch a break on real estate prices. Cheers though! Good to hear from someone who isn't so down on California. It really is a cool place, and it's easy to take it for granted until you've spent some time in the Midwest.