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In a thread about people fleeing from California to other states, particularly Texas, it's certainly an appropriate comparison. Even more so when you consider T

In a thread about people fleeing from California to other states, particularly Texas, it's certainly an appropriate comparison. Even more so when you consider Texas is about the closest in size and population except with nearly opposite politics. Comparisons are useful when talking about something in relative terms. Absolute statistics don't mean much in the context of moving from one place to another. You can say California is terrible but within the realistic options, not really. I didn't present any skewed metrics. You twice pointed out illegal immigrants with emphasis on their contrast to "tax-paying" citizens but failed to connect it to any deeper meaning. So what if they've given them driver's licenses or paid for children & young adult healthcare? At least they've made attempts to integrate them, ostensibly recognizing their hardships and to prevent them from engaging in crime or becoming homeless. Wildfires are easily preventable if you draw the line at individuals not lighting shit on fire in arid areas or private companies better maintaining their infrastructure.

manigandham 6y ago
Then make the comparison. That involves all of the details, not just a single facet, so compare all of the conditions of CA against TX. Instead of costing citizens, working with federal agencies to remove illegal immigrants would be the better outcome. That would do a much better job of actually eliminating crime instead of enabling it with driving privileges. But... you still haven't answered what has gotten better in CA over the last 10 years. So let's call it done now.
- ddoolin 6y ago
  Why should I? I can pick a single point out of your many with which to make a comparison without being obligated to compare them in their entirety and also without discrediting the entire comparison itself, whose purpose you seem to think is proving CA is the best state. Would it? How do you know? It's not that nothing has gotten better, but it's obviously relative. Everything has two sides. - Marijuana was legalized and the convictions of thousands of inmates and priors adjusted accordingly, bettering the lives of thousands. - Better protections and benefits for those here illegally. - LGBT protections and rights under the law have greatly expanded. - Worker protections from discrimination and predatory employers has expanded. - Most types of crimes have decreased (and if you think things have been wrongly decriminalized, I'd be interested to hear what they are). - Home values have probably doubled in that time without property tax increase. - The tech industry continued to grow and employ more workers. One could go on.

manigandham 6y ago

Then make the comparison. That involves all of the details, not just a single facet, so compare all of the conditions of CA against TX. Instead of costing citizens, working with federal agencies to remove illegal immigrants would be the better outcome. That would do a much better job of actually eliminating crime instead of enabling it with driving privileges. But... you still haven't answered what has gotten better in CA over the last 10 years. So let's call it done now.

ddoolin 6y ago
Why should I? I can pick a single point out of your many with which to make a comparison without being obligated to compare them in their entirety and also without discrediting the entire comparison itself, whose purpose you seem to think is proving CA is the best state. Would it? How do you know? It's not that nothing has gotten better, but it's obviously relative. Everything has two sides. - Marijuana was legalized and the convictions of thousands of inmates and priors adjusted accordingly, bettering the lives of thousands. - Better protections and benefits for those here illegally. - LGBT protections and rights under the law have greatly expanded. - Worker protections from discrimination and predatory employers has expanded. - Most types of crimes have decreased (and if you think things have been wrongly decriminalized, I'd be interested to hear what they are). - Home values have probably doubled in that time without property tax increase. - The tech industry continued to grow and employ more workers. One could go on.