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Yeah this bothers me, whether Trump won or lost is kind of besides the point, the real issue is that clearly the media “wants” a specific outcome and has been d

Yeah this bothers me, whether Trump won or lost is kind of besides the point, the real issue is that clearly the media “wants” a specific outcome and has been doing as much as they can to make that outcome more probable starting even way before the day of the election.

glenstein 6y ago
I think is a perfect encapsulation of the muddled thinking that is caused by this kind of misinformation. This is a really narrow example, and it doesn't generalize any conclusions about to the entire electoral system the way you are suggesting it might. For some reason, consumers of misinformation take these small fragments and use them to cast doubt on the entire system, which is a conclusion totally out of proportion to the evidence. But if you say that out loud, all you will get is a blank stare.
- bananabiscuit 6y ago
  Let’s un-muddle something: I’m not using this example of fraud to prove that the entire electoral system is broken, as you are suggesting. I’m using it as an example of real actual evidence that is quickly forgotten by the media in order to continue to ridicule anyone who has doubts about the election results. Considering in just this one example, the margin of victory in a crucial state was reduced by something like 25 percent, why wouldn’t a rational person begin to have some doubt.
  - glenstein 6y ago
    > I’m not using this example of fraud to prove that the entire electoral system is broken You could have fooled me. Your previous comment contained no such qualification, leaving an open ended implication which seemed to be intentional. Most people responding to this example are pointing out the problems with it, and they don't seem to have any issue being quite frank about how this evidence doesn't show fraud, doesn't show systematic error, doesn't show that the election outcome would be different. No one interested in the facts should be willing to take that as a starting point and proceeding to entertain this kind of meandering, open ended, unprovable and vague speculation that you seem to want to steer the conversation toward.
    - mcavoybn 6y ago
      >Most people responding to this example are pointing out the problems with it Not a logical argument

glenstein 6y ago

I think is a perfect encapsulation of the muddled thinking that is caused by this kind of misinformation. This is a really narrow example, and it doesn't generalize any conclusions about to the entire electoral system the way you are suggesting it might. For some reason, consumers of misinformation take these small fragments and use them to cast doubt on the entire system, which is a conclusion totally out of proportion to the evidence. But if you say that out loud, all you will get is a blank stare.

bananabiscuit 6y ago
Let’s un-muddle something: I’m not using this example of fraud to prove that the entire electoral system is broken, as you are suggesting. I’m using it as an example of real actual evidence that is quickly forgotten by the media in order to continue to ridicule anyone who has doubts about the election results. Considering in just this one example, the margin of victory in a crucial state was reduced by something like 25 percent, why wouldn’t a rational person begin to have some doubt.
- glenstein 6y ago
  > I’m not using this example of fraud to prove that the entire electoral system is broken You could have fooled me. Your previous comment contained no such qualification, leaving an open ended implication which seemed to be intentional. Most people responding to this example are pointing out the problems with it, and they don't seem to have any issue being quite frank about how this evidence doesn't show fraud, doesn't show systematic error, doesn't show that the election outcome would be different. No one interested in the facts should be willing to take that as a starting point and proceeding to entertain this kind of meandering, open ended, unprovable and vague speculation that you seem to want to steer the conversation toward.
  - mcavoybn 6y ago
    >Most people responding to this example are pointing out the problems with it Not a logical argument