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1) I know COVID hit in 2020. I'm alive. I am living in it. I was pointing out that if you're looking at year over year rates, this year will be particularly bad

1) I know COVID hit in 2020. I'm alive. I am living in it. I was pointing out that if you're looking at year over year rates, this year will be particularly bad, but that doesn't tell you anything about long term trends. You should presume someone you're engaging with is at least as smart as you if you hope to have a fruitful conversation. 2) France has a higher homeless rate than the US, as does much of Europe. As does much of the world. Much of the world also has a lower rate. Again, so what? If the US were on the bad end of the spectrum, this whole line of conversation might make sense in context, but we aren't, so it doesn't. As far as the migration issue: Every country has special circumstances, that's my point. Saying "do what they do" is obviously a bad faith view because of that. 3) I'm not saying the US can't improve. Even if the homeless rate were 1/10th what it is now we could still do better. I'm just saying the problem in San Francisco (look at the post you're in) isn't because the US is doing a particularly poor job, it's because San Francisco is doing a particularly poor job. Look up, my original comment above was essentially: San Francisco is doing a bad job with the homeless issue.

pompeirules 6y ago
> was pointing out that if you're looking at year over year rates, this year will be particularly bad 2018 > 2017 2019 > 2018 The trend was already there and it has to do with the Trump administration not caring about it 2. No, it doesn't. If you look at the data many count as homeless the refugee seekers Germany for example Includes "around 375,000 asylum seekers and refugees in temporary accommodation"* it's 60% of the total homeless population. But again, as someone said before, you are arguing about the others, while the problem has been brought up by one of yours. In Europe nobody says "that city is bad because homeless", nobody! It's a social issue and over there society sees them as a nuisance. That's the big difference. 3. That could be true. The largest homeless population is in NY, not surprisingly, like 10 times larger than SF, and is doing better than SF. The problem is that it can't depend on the town administration, it must be handled at a national level or the homeless will move where there are better conditions for them or less controls.

pompeirules 6y ago

> was pointing out that if you're looking at year over year rates, this year will be particularly bad 2018 > 2017 2019 > 2018 The trend was already there and it has to do with the Trump administration not caring about it 2. No, it doesn't. If you look at the data many count as homeless the refugee seekers Germany for example Includes "around 375,000 asylum seekers and refugees in temporary accommodation"* it's 60% of the total homeless population. But again, as someone said before, you are arguing about the others, while the problem has been brought up by one of yours. In Europe nobody says "that city is bad because homeless", nobody! It's a social issue and over there society sees them as a nuisance. That's the big difference. 3. That could be true. The largest homeless population is in NY, not surprisingly, like 10 times larger than SF, and is doing better than SF. The problem is that it can't depend on the town administration, it must be handled at a national level or the homeless will move where there are better conditions for them or less controls.