4 ms·

Bullying is when I push you over and take your milk. Tesla isn't a bully, Tesla has been part of the corporate capture of the American legal system, the CEO can

Bullying is when I push you over and take your milk. Tesla isn't a bully, Tesla has been part of the corporate capture of the American legal system, the CEO can literally call you a pedofile and be found not guilty of libel. If you're not powerful enough you can't even get a lawyer to represent you.

pb7 6y ago
Perhaps our legal system found that there is no evidence of libel and you are picking and choosing which legal decisions you agree with despite all being as part of the same system.
- root_axis 6y ago
  I'm no lawyer, but the fact that Elon got off on that just seems wrong. Elon's claims were completely made up and also specifically crafted to harm the victim's reputation with respect to the particular context of the accusation - baselessly labeling a man who risked his life to save children as a person that sexually abuses children. What a disgusting act. Elon is extremely famous, if that doesn't count as libel what does?
  - gamblor956 6y ago
    Elon's lawyers argued that it was clearly satire because it was so over the top he couldn't possible mean it, the same as when he made deliberate misrepresentations about selling the company in a naked attempt to manipulate stock prices. Elon has very good lawyers.
- gamblor956 6y ago
  Edit: nevermind. They withdrew the UK case and the one that went to court was in the US.
  - pb7 6y ago
    I'm not sure which case you're talking about. Trial was held in Los Angeles. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50695593 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50695593
    - deleted 6y ago
      [deleted]
notjes 6y ago
If the CEO does this in a private conversation, as in you and CEO, I don't see how this could be libel.
- Rebelgecko 6y ago
  I don't think tweets and newspaper editorials are considered private
anchpop 6y ago
I'm actually unsure, is calling someone (let's say a private citizen rather an a celebrity) a pedophile based on flimsy reasoning illegal in the US?
- gamblor956 6y ago
  It's considered "per se" defamation, meaning that the plaintiff only has to prove that the defamatory act occurred, not that any reputational harm actually resulted (the harm is presumed from the heinous nature of the defamatory statements).
9HZZRfNlpR 6y ago
Calling people rapists and pedos and getting a away with it is in my eyes very American.

pb7 6y ago

Perhaps our legal system found that there is no evidence of libel and you are picking and choosing which legal decisions you agree with despite all being as part of the same system.

root_axis 6y ago
I'm no lawyer, but the fact that Elon got off on that just seems wrong. Elon's claims were completely made up and also specifically crafted to harm the victim's reputation with respect to the particular context of the accusation - baselessly labeling a man who risked his life to save children as a person that sexually abuses children. What a disgusting act. Elon is extremely famous, if that doesn't count as libel what does?
- gamblor956 6y ago
  Elon's lawyers argued that it was clearly satire because it was so over the top he couldn't possible mean it, the same as when he made deliberate misrepresentations about selling the company in a naked attempt to manipulate stock prices. Elon has very good lawyers.
gamblor956 6y ago
Edit: nevermind. They withdrew the UK case and the one that went to court was in the US.
- pb7 6y ago
  I'm not sure which case you're talking about. Trial was held in Los Angeles. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50695593 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50695593
  - deleted 6y ago
    [deleted]

notjes 6y ago

If the CEO does this in a private conversation, as in you and CEO, I don't see how this could be libel.

Rebelgecko 6y ago
I don't think tweets and newspaper editorials are considered private

anchpop 6y ago

I'm actually unsure, is calling someone (let's say a private citizen rather an a celebrity) a pedophile based on flimsy reasoning illegal in the US?

gamblor956 6y ago
It's considered "per se" defamation, meaning that the plaintiff only has to prove that the defamatory act occurred, not that any reputational harm actually resulted (the harm is presumed from the heinous nature of the defamatory statements).

9HZZRfNlpR 6y ago

Calling people rapists and pedos and getting a away with it is in my eyes very American.