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You can check my comnent history if you dont believe me, I am redder (as in commie) than 99.9% of the people here. > who literally celebrates violence against

You can check my comnent history if you dont believe me, I am redder (as in commie) than 99.9% of the people here. > who literally celebrates violence against the press and summary executions by the police. He has never done that. Saying those thing undermines any good argument you may have. If you think I am being dense please provide a direct quotation of Trump cheering for summary execution by the police and I will shut my mouth. No, if you provide an actual quote of Trump celebrating a summary execution I will erase my account here and wont never return I promise you that.

dimator 6y ago
https://www.opb.org/article/2020/10/15/trump-rally-portland-police-killing-michael-reinoehl/ https://www.opb.org/article/2020/10/15/trump-rally-portland-... Spoken at a rally.
- cambalache 6y ago
  That was a suspect for murder, 5 days on the run, who according to the reports shot first at the police, if that's your definition of a summary execution let's include every killing by the police or army ever.
  - etchalon 6y ago
    "A summary execution is an execution in which a person is accused of a crime and immediately killed without the benefit of a full and fair trial." So it's less HIS definition than the actual definition.
Elidrake42 6y ago
Sure. "The US Marshals killed him and I will tell you something, that's the way it has to be," Trump said, referring to Reinoehl. "There has to be retribution when you have crime like this."
- tathougies 6y ago
  Well sure, Reinhoehl shot at the Marshals first (according to some witnesses at least) and fled arrest. That is what was reported immediately after the shooting. That's not a summary execution, that's serving a warrant for arrest. That's due process of law. You are changing the goal posts substantially. Wikipedia defines a summary execution (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Summary_execution https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Summary_execution) as being accused and then immediately killed without trial. That is not what happened to Reinoehl. He was accused, a judge issued a warrant. He was given the opportunity to come and face justice. He did not. Instead he shot at police. They shot back. In order for it to have been a summary execution, Reinoehl would have to have been captured and well under the Marshal's control and then killed. Or he would have had to indicate that he surrendered and been shot anyway. That is not what happened. Ultimately, this situation would have been easily resolvable had Reinoehl turned himself into police, like Kyle Rittenhouse. Sad anyone had to die, most of all Reinoehl's victim, Aaron Danielson, who for some reason (that we all know) is completely ignored in all this.
  - klyrs 6y ago
    Some witnesses, yes, but afaict they've been recanted and refuted. More to the point, even the feds aren't saying that. All they're saying he did was point his gun. And that he was shot coming out of his apartment. And it doesn't sound like the cops announced themselves loudly enough for witnesses to hear. Why why weren't there body cams and dash cams? Those readily-available evidence-gathering tools that are so necessary to deliver the accused to justice? Can we corroborate the police's accounts with hard evidence? No, for some reason, none of them thought that would be important. Ain't destruction of evidence if you don't collect it... no, you're not going to convince me that Reinoehl's death wasn't an execution. Rittenhouse attempted to turn himself in, but was actually turned away. Reinoehl claimed self defense, but his victim was armed with a knife, not a plastic bag. It's true that Rittenhouse got hit by a skateboard later, but that was folks rightly defending themselves from an active shooter. The problem with the cops isn't just racism, it's the whole authoritarianism thing too. Fascists love the cops and cops love them. And the president celebrates the "hero" for murdering a person who threw a plastic bag.
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etchalon 6y ago
The speed at which people will find those quotes, and the speed at which you'll equivicate so you don't have to delete your account, is going to be fun to watch.
- cambalache 6y ago
  4 hours and still waiting, do you have any ?
  - etchalon 6y ago
    It was literally provided below, and you equivocated by saying "well, THAT wasn't a summary execution!" Which was entirely predictable.

dimator 6y ago

https://www.opb.org/article/2020/10/15/trump-rally-portland-police-killing-michael-reinoehl/ https://www.opb.org/article/2020/10/15/trump-rally-portland-... Spoken at a rally.

cambalache 6y ago
That was a suspect for murder, 5 days on the run, who according to the reports shot first at the police, if that's your definition of a summary execution let's include every killing by the police or army ever.
- etchalon 6y ago
  "A summary execution is an execution in which a person is accused of a crime and immediately killed without the benefit of a full and fair trial." So it's less HIS definition than the actual definition.

Elidrake42 6y ago

Sure. "The US Marshals killed him and I will tell you something, that's the way it has to be," Trump said, referring to Reinoehl. "There has to be retribution when you have crime like this."

tathougies 6y ago
Well sure, Reinhoehl shot at the Marshals first (according to some witnesses at least) and fled arrest. That is what was reported immediately after the shooting. That's not a summary execution, that's serving a warrant for arrest. That's due process of law. You are changing the goal posts substantially. Wikipedia defines a summary execution (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Summary_execution https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Summary_execution) as being accused and then immediately killed without trial. That is not what happened to Reinoehl. He was accused, a judge issued a warrant. He was given the opportunity to come and face justice. He did not. Instead he shot at police. They shot back. In order for it to have been a summary execution, Reinoehl would have to have been captured and well under the Marshal's control and then killed. Or he would have had to indicate that he surrendered and been shot anyway. That is not what happened. Ultimately, this situation would have been easily resolvable had Reinoehl turned himself into police, like Kyle Rittenhouse. Sad anyone had to die, most of all Reinoehl's victim, Aaron Danielson, who for some reason (that we all know) is completely ignored in all this.
- klyrs 6y ago
  Some witnesses, yes, but afaict they've been recanted and refuted. More to the point, even the feds aren't saying that. All they're saying he did was point his gun. And that he was shot coming out of his apartment. And it doesn't sound like the cops announced themselves loudly enough for witnesses to hear. Why why weren't there body cams and dash cams? Those readily-available evidence-gathering tools that are so necessary to deliver the accused to justice? Can we corroborate the police's accounts with hard evidence? No, for some reason, none of them thought that would be important. Ain't destruction of evidence if you don't collect it... no, you're not going to convince me that Reinoehl's death wasn't an execution. Rittenhouse attempted to turn himself in, but was actually turned away. Reinoehl claimed self defense, but his victim was armed with a knife, not a plastic bag. It's true that Rittenhouse got hit by a skateboard later, but that was folks rightly defending themselves from an active shooter. The problem with the cops isn't just racism, it's the whole authoritarianism thing too. Fascists love the cops and cops love them. And the president celebrates the "hero" for murdering a person who threw a plastic bag.

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etchalon 6y ago

The speed at which people will find those quotes, and the speed at which you'll equivicate so you don't have to delete your account, is going to be fun to watch.

cambalache 6y ago
4 hours and still waiting, do you have any ?
- etchalon 6y ago
  It was literally provided below, and you equivocated by saying "well, THAT wasn't a summary execution!" Which was entirely predictable.