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Regarding 2, I recently discovered https://finepeople.org https://finepeople.org.

by vimy 6y ago

tylerhou 6y ago
You're missing the context that the people attending the Unite the Right rally heavily displayed Nazi iconography (swastikas and more obscure neo-Nazi symbols): https://youtu.be/zcoYKuoiUrY?t=1862 https://youtu.be/zcoYKuoiUrY?t=1862 If you're okay with marching alongside a swastika, are you really a "very fine person?" As Shaun puts it, "the acceptable number of swastikas at the rally is zero." Another excerpt (https://youtu.be/zcoYKuoiUrY?t=2538 https://youtu.be/zcoYKuoiUrY?t=2538): Speaker: "Did Hitler do anything wrong?" Crowd: "No!" Speaker: "I love my people!" Crowd: "I love my people!" Speaker: "One more, one more. I want everyone to repeat after me, pay close attention because this is the first precept of the true alt-right. Remember it. Gas the [slur]s, race war now!" Crowd: "Gas the [slur]s, race war now!" "Sieg Heil!" "Sieg Heil!" "Who brought the ovens?" "[Laughter]" Do these people, or anyone who associates with them, seem like "very fine people?"
- 99_00 6y ago
  No one denies that those people were there. Trump condemns them unconditionally. The issue is the denial of people like this who were also there: >“Good people can go to Charlottesville,” said Michelle Piercy, a night shift worker at a Wichita, Kan., retirement home, who drove all night with a conservative group that opposed the planned removal of a statue of the Confederate general Robert E. Lee. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/16/us/politics/trump-republicans-race.html?smid=tw-share&mtrref=undefined&gwh=5EFC7C2072B7A9EFBF30691D07E11340 https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/16/us/politics/trump-republi... NY Times Aug 17, 2017 And this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqXWhG6IZ50 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqXWhG6IZ50 Associated Press Aug 15, 2017 I think that all these people are misguided, but they aren't neo-nazis or white nationalists. >If you're okay with marching alongside a swastika, are you really a "very fine person?" Are people marching in the same area as looters or antifa 'very fine people'? Yes, of course they are. No one has control who shows up at these huge public demonstrations.
  - tylerhou 6y ago
    Trump's comments were clearly regarding the protesters at the original rally (as he mentions the violence), not people who came later. Every protester on the right was a neo-Nazi or complicit in marching with neo-Nazis. The rally explicitly invited white nationalist and neo-Nazi speakers. The stated goals of the rally was to unify the American white nationalist movement. > No one has control who shows up at these huge public demonstrations. This demonstration was intended to be a white-supremacist, neo-Nazi demonstration. End of story. If you disagree, I encourage you to watch the Shaun video I linked for more information, or to read the linked Wikipedia and Vox articles. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unite_the_Right_rally https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unite_the_Right_rally https://www.vox.com/2019/4/26/18517980/trump-unite-the-right-racism-defense-charlottesville https://www.vox.com/2019/4/26/18517980/trump-unite-the-right... Trump praised these people. You may argue that he didn't mean to. But the fact is that Trump praised white supremacy, intentionally or unintentionally, and these white supremacists use that praise to justify the continuation of the movement. Even if Trump later condemned them, white supremacists interpret such a move as Trump merely "pretending" to condemn them.
    - 99_00 6y ago
      >Trump praised these people. Trump is saying the people who don't want the statue taken down are fine people. He explicitly exludes neo-nazis and white nationalists. I am simply reading his words. No mind reading required. >But not all of those people were neo-Nazis, believe me. Not all of those people were white supremacists by any stretch. Those people were also there because they wanted to protest the taking down of a statue of Robert E. Lee. >and I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists — because they should be condemned totally. https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/remarks-president-trump-infrastructure/ https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/remarks-pres... And in a previous post I showed you people who went to the rally with the removal of a statue in mind. Don't assume Trump knew everything about the event, and it's make up as it happened. The news will show the extremists because peaceful protesters don't get eye balls so selective coverage isn't proof of anything.

Regarding 2, I recently discovered https://finepeople.org https://finepeople.org.

by vimy 6y ago

Regarding 2, I recently discovered https://finepeople.org https://finepeople.org.

You're missing the context that the people attending the Unite the Right rally heavily displayed Nazi iconography (swastikas and more obscure neo-Nazi symbols): https://youtu.be/zcoYKuoiUrY?t=1862 https://youtu.be/zcoYKuoiUrY?t=1862 If you're okay with marching alongside a swastika, are you really a "very fine person?" As Shaun puts it, "the acceptable number of swastikas at the rally is zero." Another excerpt (https://youtu.be/zcoYKuoiUrY?t=2538 https://youtu.be/zcoYKuoiUrY?t=2538): Speaker: "Did Hitler do anything wrong?" Crowd: "No!" Speaker: "I love my people!" Crowd: "I love my people!" Speaker: "One more, one more. I want everyone to repeat after me, pay close attention because this is the first precept of the true alt-right. Remember it. Gas the [slur]s, race war now!" Crowd: "Gas the [slur]s, race war now!" "Sieg Heil!" "Sieg Heil!" "Who brought the ovens?" "[Laughter]" Do these people, or anyone who associates with them, seem like "very fine people?"

99_00 6y ago
No one denies that those people were there. Trump condemns them unconditionally. The issue is the denial of people like this who were also there: >“Good people can go to Charlottesville,” said Michelle Piercy, a night shift worker at a Wichita, Kan., retirement home, who drove all night with a conservative group that opposed the planned removal of a statue of the Confederate general Robert E. Lee. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/16/us/politics/trump-republicans-race.html?smid=tw-share&mtrref=undefined&gwh=5EFC7C2072B7A9EFBF30691D07E11340 https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/16/us/politics/trump-republi... NY Times Aug 17, 2017 And this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqXWhG6IZ50 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqXWhG6IZ50 Associated Press Aug 15, 2017 I think that all these people are misguided, but they aren't neo-nazis or white nationalists. >If you're okay with marching alongside a swastika, are you really a "very fine person?" Are people marching in the same area as looters or antifa 'very fine people'? Yes, of course they are. No one has control who shows up at these huge public demonstrations.
- tylerhou 6y ago
  Trump's comments were clearly regarding the protesters at the original rally (as he mentions the violence), not people who came later. Every protester on the right was a neo-Nazi or complicit in marching with neo-Nazis. The rally explicitly invited white nationalist and neo-Nazi speakers. The stated goals of the rally was to unify the American white nationalist movement. > No one has control who shows up at these huge public demonstrations. This demonstration was intended to be a white-supremacist, neo-Nazi demonstration. End of story. If you disagree, I encourage you to watch the Shaun video I linked for more information, or to read the linked Wikipedia and Vox articles. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unite_the_Right_rally https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unite_the_Right_rally https://www.vox.com/2019/4/26/18517980/trump-unite-the-right-racism-defense-charlottesville https://www.vox.com/2019/4/26/18517980/trump-unite-the-right... Trump praised these people. You may argue that he didn't mean to. But the fact is that Trump praised white supremacy, intentionally or unintentionally, and these white supremacists use that praise to justify the continuation of the movement. Even if Trump later condemned them, white supremacists interpret such a move as Trump merely "pretending" to condemn them.
  - 99_00 6y ago
    >Trump praised these people. Trump is saying the people who don't want the statue taken down are fine people. He explicitly exludes neo-nazis and white nationalists. I am simply reading his words. No mind reading required. >But not all of those people were neo-Nazis, believe me. Not all of those people were white supremacists by any stretch. Those people were also there because they wanted to protest the taking down of a statue of Robert E. Lee. >and I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists — because they should be condemned totally. https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/remarks-president-trump-infrastructure/ https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/remarks-pres... And in a previous post I showed you people who went to the rally with the removal of a statue in mind. Don't assume Trump knew everything about the event, and it's make up as it happened. The news will show the extremists because peaceful protesters don't get eye balls so selective coverage isn't proof of anything.