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> CA provides sanctuary status for illegal immigrants, along with driver licenses, free healthcare and other benefits paid for by tax-paying citizens. I see th

> CA provides sanctuary status for illegal immigrants, along with driver licenses, free healthcare and other benefits paid for by tax-paying citizens. I see these easily debunked anti-immigration talking points regularly elsewhere on the web in right-wing circles, but I'm surprised to see it on HN. I encourage anyone interested in the reality of immigration(including the common myths like the above) to either read Open Borders: The Science and Ethics of Immigration, or watch a short talk on the subject here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6wGLhEW_uc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6wGLhEW_uc

manigandham 6y ago
You didn't debunk anything but only posted some open-border ideology. Feel free to actually respond to the specific policies that are affecting the state of California instead. Here's just 1 example to get you started: Illegal immigrants have free healthcare until the age of 26 in California, however tax-paying law-abiding citizens are fined if they don't have health insurance.
- ddoolin 6y ago
  Why are you comparing a state policy with a federal one? Not to mention the mandate has been declawed and hasn't been enforced in at least a year or two.
  - manigandham 6y ago
    It's a clear example of California's policies. There are many more but you have a strange defense of this state that I can only assume is due to being insulated from the experiences of millions and discounting them as false.
- gowld 6y ago
  Citizens get the same free healthcare as undocumented immigrants.
  - knowaveragejoe 6y ago
    Citizens are also, in fact, a greater tax burden than immigrants in general.
- mrguyorama 6y ago
  If you are just as poor as an illegal immigrant, you too can have free health care in california.
- knowaveragejoe 6y ago
  I posted some "open-borders ideology" from... noted anarcho-capitalist Bryan Caplan. Indeed, I didn't attempt to debunk anything you said, other than point out they are easily debunked. You understand that these are two separate things, right?
  - manigandham 6y ago
    I didn't say anything about being an anarcho-capitalist, just that it was open-borders ideology that has found zero working application in reality. You understand that these are two separate things, right? If something is so easy to debunk, then please do so instead of just claiming it is and posting a non-sequitur.
    - knowaveragejoe 6y ago
      I linked both a book and a talk that covers not only the specifics of the anti-immigration myths you raised by a great deal more on the subject. To put it in briefly: Concerns over immigration's impact on labor markets and cultural assimilation are not only wildly sensationalized by not supported by any evidence in data or studies on the subject. They are a thin veneer over xenophobia. The less immigration controls, the better off everyone(worldwide) is. (I swear, the lump-of-labor fallacy is responsible for like 75% of this kind of populist tripe)

manigandham 6y ago

You didn't debunk anything but only posted some open-border ideology. Feel free to actually respond to the specific policies that are affecting the state of California instead. Here's just 1 example to get you started: Illegal immigrants have free healthcare until the age of 26 in California, however tax-paying law-abiding citizens are fined if they don't have health insurance.

ddoolin 6y ago
Why are you comparing a state policy with a federal one? Not to mention the mandate has been declawed and hasn't been enforced in at least a year or two.
- manigandham 6y ago
  It's a clear example of California's policies. There are many more but you have a strange defense of this state that I can only assume is due to being insulated from the experiences of millions and discounting them as false.
gowld 6y ago
Citizens get the same free healthcare as undocumented immigrants.
- knowaveragejoe 6y ago
  Citizens are also, in fact, a greater tax burden than immigrants in general.
mrguyorama 6y ago
If you are just as poor as an illegal immigrant, you too can have free health care in california.
knowaveragejoe 6y ago
I posted some "open-borders ideology" from... noted anarcho-capitalist Bryan Caplan. Indeed, I didn't attempt to debunk anything you said, other than point out they are easily debunked. You understand that these are two separate things, right?
- manigandham 6y ago
  I didn't say anything about being an anarcho-capitalist, just that it was open-borders ideology that has found zero working application in reality. You understand that these are two separate things, right? If something is so easy to debunk, then please do so instead of just claiming it is and posting a non-sequitur.
  - knowaveragejoe 6y ago
    I linked both a book and a talk that covers not only the specifics of the anti-immigration myths you raised by a great deal more on the subject. To put it in briefly: Concerns over immigration's impact on labor markets and cultural assimilation are not only wildly sensationalized by not supported by any evidence in data or studies on the subject. They are a thin veneer over xenophobia. The less immigration controls, the better off everyone(worldwide) is. (I swear, the lump-of-labor fallacy is responsible for like 75% of this kind of populist tripe)