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If DNS over HTTPS becomes standard, and Manifest V3 lands in Chromium-based browsers, Safari, and Firefox, how are we supposed to block ads?

• blibble 6y ago
  I suspect the plan is to make ad blockers impotent by reducing their ability to adapt quickly to new forms of block evasion the ad blockers slowly become more and more useless, people stop using them entirely, and google's the biggest winner
• AgentME 6y ago
  Firefox has no incentive to prevent people from blocking ads, and DNS over HTTPS isn't a tool to block users from reconfiguring their own machines. All browsers let you configure your DNS settings still. The thing that DNS over HTTPS prevents is letting whoever is supplying your internet (including your ISP, whatever hotspot you're using on the go, etc) manipulate your DNS. It's not about removing control from the person who owns the machine.
  • wvenable 6y ago
    > DNS over HTTPS isn't a tool to block users from reconfiguring their own machines. Yes it is. Effectively it takes the "machine" out of the equation entirely. DNS resolution happens between the app and the server without you have any say over it at all.
    • netheril96 6y ago
      I guess you can run your local DNS server and point the browser to that. The local DNS server can do all the filtering you want, and forward the filtered out requests to the outside DNS server.
      • zelly 6y ago
        the doomsday scenario the top-level comment mentioned is if they disabled that option. it's possible but very unlikely because it would make that browser unusable for many corporate networks.
        • wvenable 6y ago
          What corporate networks don't allow outbound HTTPS?
          • zelly 6y ago
            they run their own internal DNS resolvers
            • wvenable 6y ago
              Yes, but DNS over HTTPS by passes internal DNS resolvers and because it's HTTPS the corporate firewall would have no idea this is happening.
    • sa1 6y ago
      Apps that do that could always have used their own hardcoded IPs or local resolvers.
    • AgentME 6y ago
      And the application, the browser, is configurable by the user. There's no OS standard for DoH configurability so it can't just rely on the OS for that.
• deleted 6y ago
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• zelly 6y ago
  then I'll use a fork that uses old DNS. maintaining a small diff that enables old DNS is easy enough that I could do it myself. much easier than trying to fork out Manifest V3.
• zeusly 6y ago
  https://nextdns.io/ https://nextdns.io/