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WhatsApp is basically the norm outside of the US from what I can tell? So yeah, there's really no "competition". Either you have whatsapp or you don't talk to

by mrlala 6y ago

WhatsApp is basically the norm outside of the US from what I can tell? So yeah, there's really no "competition". Either you have whatsapp or you don't talk to people. And it's highly used for cross-business communication in Europe, I can tell you that.

bilal4hmed 6y ago
It seems its no competition because people like it not because there are no other options, because there are plenty
- mrlala 6y ago
  But my point is "it's the norm". Either you use WhatsApp or you don't talk to people. And I'm not saying this is a bad thing, really.. I think "monopolies" have their place in standardizing things that we do and it makes it convenient. (Side note: if fucking Apple would open up iMessage on android/windows they would OWN the chat market in a matter of minutes in the US) But there does get to a point where you cannot say "people use it because they like it". Most people use it solely because everyone else uses it. Just like Facebook. There is no "alternative" for real-life profile social media. If you want to use that type of social media, Facebook is the only thing whether you like it or not.
  - bilal4hmed 6y ago
    Isnt that the case of network effects though ? Facebook started off in a market with Orkut, Myspace, Friendster and along came Path, Twitter, Google+. Facebook had network effects and people gravitated towards it. So this is basically saying network effect is bad. You cant get too popular.
    - inglor_cz 6y ago
      That is where mandatory interoperability could help. We do not have insular e-mail systems that cannot communicate with one another. In case of IM, interoperability would go a long way towards reducing dominance of Facebook.
    - jb1991 6y ago
      Yes, it’s network effects. One company with a large accepted network acquires another company with a large accepted network to avoid competing with it, and creating an even larger behemoth with services that will dominate both arms of that industry.
KaiserPro 6y ago
> WhatsApp is basically the norm outside of the US from what I can tell? Which would mean that the lawsuit would fail. pretty much everything that happens outside of the USA is irrelevant for this lawsuit.
- bilal4hmed 6y ago
  yeah would make more sense to break iMessage or force them to open APIs
chillacy 6y ago
Splitting WA from Facebook isn’t going to change that though. It’s still going to look like WA is a monopoly, then what?

by mrlala 6y ago

bilal4hmed 6y ago

It seems its no competition because people like it not because there are no other options, because there are plenty

mrlala 6y ago
But my point is "it's the norm". Either you use WhatsApp or you don't talk to people. And I'm not saying this is a bad thing, really.. I think "monopolies" have their place in standardizing things that we do and it makes it convenient. (Side note: if fucking Apple would open up iMessage on android/windows they would OWN the chat market in a matter of minutes in the US) But there does get to a point where you cannot say "people use it because they like it". Most people use it solely because everyone else uses it. Just like Facebook. There is no "alternative" for real-life profile social media. If you want to use that type of social media, Facebook is the only thing whether you like it or not.
- bilal4hmed 6y ago
  Isnt that the case of network effects though ? Facebook started off in a market with Orkut, Myspace, Friendster and along came Path, Twitter, Google+. Facebook had network effects and people gravitated towards it. So this is basically saying network effect is bad. You cant get too popular.
  - inglor_cz 6y ago
    That is where mandatory interoperability could help. We do not have insular e-mail systems that cannot communicate with one another. In case of IM, interoperability would go a long way towards reducing dominance of Facebook.
  - jb1991 6y ago
    Yes, it’s network effects. One company with a large accepted network acquires another company with a large accepted network to avoid competing with it, and creating an even larger behemoth with services that will dominate both arms of that industry.

KaiserPro 6y ago

> WhatsApp is basically the norm outside of the US from what I can tell? Which would mean that the lawsuit would fail. pretty much everything that happens outside of the USA is irrelevant for this lawsuit.

bilal4hmed 6y ago
yeah would make more sense to break iMessage or force them to open APIs

chillacy 6y ago

Splitting WA from Facebook isn’t going to change that though. It’s still going to look like WA is a monopoly, then what?