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> that the Trump campaign colluded with Russia the mueller report stated "while the investigation identified numerous links between individuals with ties to th

> that the Trump campaign colluded with Russia the mueller report stated "while the investigation identified numerous links between individuals with ties to the Russian government and individuals associated with the Trump Campaign, the evidence was not sufficient to support criminal charges." That and they also found many cases of obstruction of justice that could be charged and would have said that he was cleared if they could clear him. so obstruct justice numerous times and then the outcome of that obstruction makes it so that they can't find sufficient evidence of a crime. Reporting on that is not "fake news."

roenxi 6y ago
> the Mueller report stated "while the investigation identified numerous links between individuals with ties to the Russian government and individuals associated with the Trump Campaign, the evidence was not sufficient to support criminal charges." That covers a very large range of possible realities. It also describes the expected relationship between every US president and the Russians - diplomacy doesn't happen by telepathy. If there is a point there, it needs to be made more explicitly.
- weaksauce 6y ago
  > It also describes the expected relationship between every US president and the Russians - diplomacy doesn't happen by telepathy. this specifically was way before anyone held any power and it also covered many connections that were covered up and lied about to the investigators.
  - roenxi 6y ago
    Innuendo isn't an argument, it is a rather weak cover for the fact that insufficient evidence means evidence nobody cares about. The only people I've seen bringing the Russia stuff up for the last year have been right wingers in a told-you-so style. It was a political dud because there was nothing there. The Muller report was so weak when Trump was impeached it was for a completely different made-up scandal. And based on the Democrat response to the 2020 elections, it seems that under the Trump presidency has seen the voting system secured beyond all reproach. Without anyone making any actual changes for the better as far as I can tell. The whole thing was always frivolous.

roenxi 6y ago

> the Mueller report stated "while the investigation identified numerous links between individuals with ties to the Russian government and individuals associated with the Trump Campaign, the evidence was not sufficient to support criminal charges." That covers a very large range of possible realities. It also describes the expected relationship between every US president and the Russians - diplomacy doesn't happen by telepathy. If there is a point there, it needs to be made more explicitly.

weaksauce 6y ago
> It also describes the expected relationship between every US president and the Russians - diplomacy doesn't happen by telepathy. this specifically was way before anyone held any power and it also covered many connections that were covered up and lied about to the investigators.
- roenxi 6y ago
  Innuendo isn't an argument, it is a rather weak cover for the fact that insufficient evidence means evidence nobody cares about. The only people I've seen bringing the Russia stuff up for the last year have been right wingers in a told-you-so style. It was a political dud because there was nothing there. The Muller report was so weak when Trump was impeached it was for a completely different made-up scandal. And based on the Democrat response to the 2020 elections, it seems that under the Trump presidency has seen the voting system secured beyond all reproach. Without anyone making any actual changes for the better as far as I can tell. The whole thing was always frivolous.