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I like how the drivers are always depicted as underpaid yet... they flock to the app! If it paid more to have a minimum wage job, why are there so many drivers

I like how the drivers are always depicted as underpaid yet... they flock to the app! If it paid more to have a minimum wage job, why are there so many drivers on the platform?

dmitriid 6y ago
- Because the economy isn't doing that great - There are not that many jobs to go around - More and more companies force people into the gig economy
benlivengood 6y ago
Drivers can easily put in consistent overtime which is harder to do at a traditional job. Removing some of the friction of overworking themselves while giving the illusion of choice. Migrant workers consistently show up at farms too; it doesn't mean they're paid well.
- strombofulous 6y ago
  The reason migrant workers pick ("pick") farms is because they legally can't work anywhere else. Uber/DD/Postmates/... all do citizen verification checks.
  - benlivengood 6y ago
    That conflates undocumented workers with migrant workers when there is more like a ~50% overlap (at farms).
bsder 6y ago
Drivers were so underpaid they were stealing food. Many of the restaurants had to repackage their food in such a way that it could be sealed so that they could deny claims for theft. That's not the sign of well-paid employees.
- strombofulous 6y ago
  I mean, there's a lot of reasons they might have been stealing food. To presume it must have been because they were so poor and not because they had delicious smelling food in their car and a near-guarantee that theft wouldn't be noticed is, imo, disingenuous To say that the only reason someone steals food is for hunger is to say that nobody has ever stolen food for any reason other than hunger. Otherwise, there would necessarily be multiple reasons to steal food. I don't think that could possibly be true.
  - bsder 6y ago
    Dude. People don't steal food if they're not hungry. You are trying to justify THEFT. Not IP theft. Not Copyright theft. Real, actual, physical theft. Of someone's food. And there was so much theft that companies retooled their packaging. Go back and contemplate on your ethics. Like ... a lot.
    - strombofulous 6y ago
      This is such a wildly incorrect interpretation of what I said. After re-reading my original comment I'm honestly confused as to how you arrived at the conclusion you did (that I was attempting to justify theft). I wasn't saying they should be stealing. The only thing I was saying was that there is more than one reason to steal food. If anything, I was arguing against theft (but in the moment, I was just responding to GP).
    - miked85 6y ago
      > Dude. People don't steal food if they're not hungry. I take it you have never worked in the food service industry.

I like how the drivers are always depicted as underpaid yet... they flock to the app! If it paid more to have a minimum wage job, why are there so many drivers on the platform?

dmitriid 6y ago

- Because the economy isn't doing that great - There are not that many jobs to go around - More and more companies force people into the gig economy

benlivengood 6y ago

Drivers can easily put in consistent overtime which is harder to do at a traditional job. Removing some of the friction of overworking themselves while giving the illusion of choice. Migrant workers consistently show up at farms too; it doesn't mean they're paid well.

strombofulous 6y ago
The reason migrant workers pick ("pick") farms is because they legally can't work anywhere else. Uber/DD/Postmates/... all do citizen verification checks.
- benlivengood 6y ago
  That conflates undocumented workers with migrant workers when there is more like a ~50% overlap (at farms).

bsder 6y ago

Drivers were so underpaid they were stealing food. Many of the restaurants had to repackage their food in such a way that it could be sealed so that they could deny claims for theft. That's not the sign of well-paid employees.

strombofulous 6y ago
I mean, there's a lot of reasons they might have been stealing food. To presume it must have been because they were so poor and not because they had delicious smelling food in their car and a near-guarantee that theft wouldn't be noticed is, imo, disingenuous To say that the only reason someone steals food is for hunger is to say that nobody has ever stolen food for any reason other than hunger. Otherwise, there would necessarily be multiple reasons to steal food. I don't think that could possibly be true.
- bsder 6y ago
  Dude. People don't steal food if they're not hungry. You are trying to justify THEFT. Not IP theft. Not Copyright theft. Real, actual, physical theft. Of someone's food. And there was so much theft that companies retooled their packaging. Go back and contemplate on your ethics. Like ... a lot.
  - strombofulous 6y ago
    This is such a wildly incorrect interpretation of what I said. After re-reading my original comment I'm honestly confused as to how you arrived at the conclusion you did (that I was attempting to justify theft). I wasn't saying they should be stealing. The only thing I was saying was that there is more than one reason to steal food. If anything, I was arguing against theft (but in the moment, I was just responding to GP).
  - miked85 6y ago
    > Dude. People don't steal food if they're not hungry. I take it you have never worked in the food service industry.