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The President is the most powerful figure of the government. Government censorship is the greatest threat to democracy. The President wants his voice to be the

The President is the most powerful figure of the government. Government censorship is the greatest threat to democracy. The President wants his voice to be the loudest, most trusted voice. The President wants to discredit any dissenting voices. The President only wants your vote to count if you voted for him. If you are against censorship, how can you stand behind such a President, who wants to control the messaging that every citizen hears and believes, and whether your own voice even counts? Who here thinks more people get political information from President Trump than get political news from YouTube?

disgrunt 6y ago
> If you are against censorship, how can you stand behind such a President, who wants to control the messaging that every citizen hears and believes, and whether your own voice even counts? Because this supposedly omnipotent being can't even tweet without a warning message attached to it?
- neogodless 6y ago
  Where did I claim omnipotence? Yes - when your own government feeds you misinformation, it should come with warning labels. Trusting your government without any consideration is handing over freedom foolishly.
  - disgrunt 6y ago
    Your entire post makes it sound like Trump is some kind of dictator. Yet he can't even tweet without a bright red warning message disputing it. If Trump is having his message subverted, then maybe your views on censorship are misdirected?
    - ilikehurdles 6y ago
      I hope you realize how your argument is in bad faith.
- knowaveragejoe 6y ago
  How did trumpism penetrate this deeply into the HN crowd?
amadeuspagel 6y ago
Orwellian drivel. > If you are against censorship, how can you stand behind such a President If you are against censorship, how can you be against censorhip of the president and his supporters?
- neogodless 6y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_censorship https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_censorship > Political censorship exists when a government attempts to conceal, fake, distort, or falsify information that its citizens receive by suppressing or crowding out political news that the public might receive through news outlets. In the absence of neutral and objective information, people will be unable to dissent with the government or political party in charge. The term also extends to the systematic suppression of views that are contrary to those of the government in power. I'm against political censorship most of all. I don't enjoy the current state of things in which private organizations are being utilized to spread misinformation that originated from a prominent voice of the government, and are faced with the difficult choice of adopting organizational censorship in order to combat political censorship.
  - amadeuspagel 6y ago
    This attempt to reframe speech that you dislike (that you feel "crowds out" speech that you see as more important) as censorship, in an attempt to justify actual censorship of that speech, is just what I call orwellian. It's like saying that "words are violence" to justify actual violence. To crowd something out means "to push, move, or force (something or someone) out of a place or situation by filling its space". Youtube videos do not crowd out other youtube videos, there's enough space on youtube for everyone.

disgrunt 6y ago

> If you are against censorship, how can you stand behind such a President, who wants to control the messaging that every citizen hears and believes, and whether your own voice even counts? Because this supposedly omnipotent being can't even tweet without a warning message attached to it?

neogodless 6y ago
Where did I claim omnipotence? Yes - when your own government feeds you misinformation, it should come with warning labels. Trusting your government without any consideration is handing over freedom foolishly.
- disgrunt 6y ago
  Your entire post makes it sound like Trump is some kind of dictator. Yet he can't even tweet without a bright red warning message disputing it. If Trump is having his message subverted, then maybe your views on censorship are misdirected?
  - ilikehurdles 6y ago
    I hope you realize how your argument is in bad faith.
knowaveragejoe 6y ago
How did trumpism penetrate this deeply into the HN crowd?

amadeuspagel 6y ago

Orwellian drivel. > If you are against censorship, how can you stand behind such a President If you are against censorship, how can you be against censorhip of the president and his supporters?

neogodless 6y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_censorship https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_censorship > Political censorship exists when a government attempts to conceal, fake, distort, or falsify information that its citizens receive by suppressing or crowding out political news that the public might receive through news outlets. In the absence of neutral and objective information, people will be unable to dissent with the government or political party in charge. The term also extends to the systematic suppression of views that are contrary to those of the government in power. I'm against political censorship most of all. I don't enjoy the current state of things in which private organizations are being utilized to spread misinformation that originated from a prominent voice of the government, and are faced with the difficult choice of adopting organizational censorship in order to combat political censorship.
- amadeuspagel 6y ago
  This attempt to reframe speech that you dislike (that you feel "crowds out" speech that you see as more important) as censorship, in an attempt to justify actual censorship of that speech, is just what I call orwellian. It's like saying that "words are violence" to justify actual violence. To crowd something out means "to push, move, or force (something or someone) out of a place or situation by filling its space". Youtube videos do not crowd out other youtube videos, there's enough space on youtube for everyone.