I'm an old fuddy-duddy. I prefer a small number of links written in text on the left, a nav sidebar. Frames or not, doesn't make a big difference to me. I am g

I'm an old fuddy-duddy. I prefer a small number of links written in text on the left, a nav sidebar. Frames or not, doesn't make a big difference to me. I am generally on a laptop with high DPI and have limited vertical resolution. The OS, window manager, browser, etc, already have a bunch of stacked bars and even in fullscreen mode there is a huge base overhead. Most sites seem to be optimized for tablets only, with massive SVG icons that are supposed to look so pretty, 20 point font, completely sparse layout for fat fingers. It's like people forgot about desktops. That is pretty annoying to me.