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> Only when you know the solution can you work backwards to find the steps to get you there from where you are today I specifically said that the advice was _c

> Only when you know the solution can you work backwards to find the steps to get you there from where you are today I specifically said that the advice was _correct_. My point is that fact isn't that useful. Knowing the solution (i.e. eat less, drink less, think less) is the _easy_ part. It's the part these people have usually been told many times. It's rarely a lack of advice that is missing. It's true that empathy doesn't cure these problems. But it is through empathy that you can understand what someone's true obstacles are to the "obvious" solutions.

silicon2401 6y ago
> My point is that fact isn't that useful. Do you think the fact isn't useful to the people who don't know it yet?
- CogitoCogito 6y ago
  In fact I do. To the people who don't know it yet it is useful. However, to the people who already know it, it's really just useless information. Information they've heard many times before and potentially only makes them feel worse about themselves and less likely to follow the recommendations given. If you're making the argument that most people don't know that eating less leads to weight-loss, then okay. I admit I don't have statistics, but I find that quite suspect. If we can at least both agree that telling it to people who already know doesn't help anything, then I'm content here.
  - silicon2401 6y ago
    I don't agree with that. 1) because knowing a fact doesn't mean that you really understand it or that it's really made an impact beyond a theoretical awareness. Repeated exposure can hammer it home. And 2) because a lot of people don't know things you know. Even the simplest thing you know, you didn't know until a certain point, and some people haven't reached that point yet. And every day people are born who don't know it yet, or people can be convinced that things are different. For these reasons I think it's important to keep broadcasting the message

silicon2401 6y ago

> My point is that fact isn't that useful. Do you think the fact isn't useful to the people who don't know it yet?

CogitoCogito 6y ago
In fact I do. To the people who don't know it yet it is useful. However, to the people who already know it, it's really just useless information. Information they've heard many times before and potentially only makes them feel worse about themselves and less likely to follow the recommendations given. If you're making the argument that most people don't know that eating less leads to weight-loss, then okay. I admit I don't have statistics, but I find that quite suspect. If we can at least both agree that telling it to people who already know doesn't help anything, then I'm content here.
- silicon2401 6y ago
  I don't agree with that. 1) because knowing a fact doesn't mean that you really understand it or that it's really made an impact beyond a theoretical awareness. Repeated exposure can hammer it home. And 2) because a lot of people don't know things you know. Even the simplest thing you know, you didn't know until a certain point, and some people haven't reached that point yet. And every day people are born who don't know it yet, or people can be convinced that things are different. For these reasons I think it's important to keep broadcasting the message